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To: yendu bwam
There are no safe-sex alternatives.

The point is: Teenagers will have sex. It is a fact. It is better that they do so with a condom and learn how to properly use one than to be told that sex is evil until you're married. Abstinence is chosen by many. As is the choice to engage in sexual relations before marriage. I respect each belief and do not value one over the other. If you irresponsibly engage in sex, then you're an idiot. That is your problem. But both sides should be taught.

114 posted on 06/10/2002 1:35:01 PM PDT by JediGirl
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To: JediGirl
The point is: Teenagers will have sex. It is a fact. It is better that they do so with a condom and learn how to properly use one than to be told that sex is evil until you're married.

Actually, over 50% of kids DO NOT HAVE SEX before the end of high school. Thus, clearly, a great many teenagers are able to control themselves - even in a culture that glorifies any and all sexual acts. For those teenagers that do have sex, and even when they use a condom (which is useless with regard to many viral STDs), they risk getting: herpes, AIDs, and human papillomavirus. Further, condoms break frequently (10-15% of the time), leading to unwanted pregnancies and bacterial STDs, many of which no longer respond to antibiotics. A kid who's been taught that wearing a condom constitutes safe sex thus only needs to have sex about 7 times, on average, before he discovers that he's been lied to. By then, it's often too late. JediGirl - I don't know if you're a mom, or if you'll be one some day. When you are, go ahead and tell your kids that you expect that they will have sex, and that they should wear condoms. When your son or daughter daughter gets herpes (untreatable), or when your daughter gets pregnant and the boy disappears and you start to think about abortion (killing your grandhild), maybe you'll see things in a different light.

119 posted on 06/10/2002 1:47:00 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: JediGirl
Teenagers will have sex. It is a fact. It is better that they do so with a condom and learn how to properly use one than to be told that sex is evil until you're married.

I was waiting for someone to trot out this tired nonsense.

You know, it's true: some teenagers will have sex. But would one of the resident "just let 'em do it, and teach 'em how" sex ed apologists please explain for me why so many more teenagers are having sex, now that we have condoms in every drugstore, abortionists in every city, and so-called "entertainers" wailing smutty lyrics while wearing little or nothing ... on TV that's targeted to 13-year-olds?

I mean, you wouldn't care to take a break from surrendering to the depraved mores of the age for just a minute, to admit that perhaps those mores are part of the problem, not part of the solution ... would you?

I mean, yeah, 100 years ago some teenagers had sex. If the girl's daddy found out, they visited a judge with a little prodding from daddy's shotgun. If too many boys found out that a girl was easy, she could count on marrying someone at the bottom of the barrel, because decent boys weren't interested in a slut.

And you know what? Oral gonorrhea was something only prostitutes got. Genital herpes was unknown. Marriage was respected and valued, and promiscuity was considered a disgrace. Oh, and we didn't rip up 1.4 million unborn kids every year, either.

You go ahead and think today's gutter morals are an improvement if you want to. As for me and my house, we will say defiantly: h*ll no!

125 posted on 06/10/2002 1:59:09 PM PDT by Campion
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To: JediGirl
It is better that they do so with a condom and learn how to properly use one than to be told that sex is evil until you're married. Abstinence is chosen by many. As is the choice to engage in sexual relations before marriage. I respect each belief and [I] do not value one over the other.

Doublethink?

129 posted on 06/10/2002 2:02:54 PM PDT by Sloth
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To: JediGirl
The point is: Teenagers will have sex. It is a fact. It is better that they do so with a condom and learn how to properly use one than to be told that sex is evil until you're married.

And you think the schools, which have difficulty teaching kids to read and write and add 2 + 2, are qualified to handle this.

Pardon me while I have a chuckle.

Laughing self senseless, returns to keyboard

Truth be told, this is a matter that should be handled by parents. Government arrogance has led to the impression that parents are too stupid to be handling this job. While many parents are stupid, most parents are indeed aware of what it is they did to produce the kid in the first place. Unless of course they got taught Biology in a government school too.

Regards, Ivan, Dark Lord of the Sith ;)

168 posted on 06/10/2002 2:41:46 PM PDT by MadIvan
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