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To: PJ-Comix
Furthermore, circumcision in the old testament was a symbolic cutting of the foreskin - now it's almost complete removal of the specialized skin.

[PJ-Comix] ???? What is a "symbolic cutting of the foreskin." Sorry it was circumcision then and it is circumcision now. No symbolism.

In the those days, just the very tip of the foreskin was cut off. Michelangelo's painting of Paul in the Sistine Chapel illustrates the minimal circumcision of the time. Nowadays clamps are used that pulls the specialized nerve saturated foreskin taunt and cuts the maximum possible off. I don’t expect you to comprehend this; after all you think foreskin is like fingernails.

Jesus did not promote the practice, hence the Catholic church does not require it to be performed.

[PJ-Comix] Jesus didn't mention it one way or another. If it was something so horrible I am sure he would have condemned the practice. And remember. He WAS circumcised.

It wasn’t so horrible then, that’s my point.

And finally, why on earth should this operation be performed without consent of the person under the knife?? Babies can’t vote, that’s why.

[PJ-Comix] So does this mean we can't slap babies on the face (or rear) to get them to breath? After all they haven't signed a consent form.

There’s a HUGE difference between causing irrevocable damage and slapping someone. You’re not very bright if you can’t see the difference.

If a man chooses to have a circumcision done later in life then they can stuff a wine soaked rag in his mouth or use modern anesthetics. His choice. Do you think baby boys don't feel pain??

[PJ-Comix] Not any pain that they can remember.

So, using your logic, I can stick a knife in you but it doesn’t matter since you may not remember the pain 20 years from now. Your arguments are foolish.

There is no medical reason to perform routine circumcision except that it's a money maker for the hospital/doctors.

[PJ-Comix] Funny. I have known several adults who have had circumcisions performed precisely for MEDICAL reasons. The only thing they were upset about is that their folks were too clueless to have them circumcized soon after birth.

Duh, there are times where circumcision may be indicated, but they are few. The key word that your missed is ’routine’. Read it again - you seem to be a bit slow. Funny, clueless describes you perfectly.

The practice is no longer recommended by the medical community, but only after pressure from men’s groups was applied in the form of lawsuits.

[PJ-Comix] Sounds like yet another pressure group trying to cash in via the legal system.

Your use of the words ”sounds like” makes it clear you do not know anything about this subject. Findings were that there is no medical reason to perform routine circumcisions, in fact there is substantial risk in the operation to be considered. This information was so mainstream that even the now liberal tilting Readers Digest reported this news.

Debating you is a waste of time.

349 posted on 10/19/2001 10:10:22 PM PDT by disclaimer
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To: disclaimer
In the those days, just the very tip of the foreskin was cut off. Michelangelo's painting of Paul in the Sistine Chapel illustrates the minimal circumcision of the time. Nowadays clamps are used that pulls the specialized nerve saturated foreskin taunt and cuts the maximum possible off. I don’t expect you to comprehend this; after all you think foreskin is like fingernails. >>

Yes, there has been considerable research done and ongoing on this topic. My husband would qualify under the "old" type of circ you mentioned(embarrassing to mention;-) which left all of the sensitive underneath part of the foreskin intact(frenulum?). The ones performed nowadays, and we have many boy cousins I watch and therefore have to change, completely remove that portion to which is most sensitive for men. In fact, I think besides not recommending circ, doctors are moving back to procedures that don't so drastically remove the foreskin and are more careful to leave the frenulum intact. I think you are right on though, PJ doesn't know much about this topic and probably does not even know which part of the penis that he may or may not be missing;-)
521 posted on 07/21/2002 11:42:37 AM PDT by glory
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