Posted on 05/23/2015 5:30:48 PM PDT by PapaBear3625
Nuclear power plant technicians, senior military officers, FBI contractors and an employee of “a highly-secretive Department of Defense agency” with a Top Secret clearance. Those are just a few of the more than 100 people with sensitive military and government connections that law enforcement is tracking because they are linked to “outlaw motorcycle gangs.”
A year before the deadly Texas shootout that killed nine people on May 17, a lengthy report by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives detailed the involvement of U.S. military personnel and government employees in outlaw motorcycle gangs, or OMGs. A copy of the report was obtained by The Intercept.
The report lays out, in almost obsessive detail, the extent to which OMG members are represented in nearly every part of the military, and in federal and local government, from police and fire departments to state utility agencies. Specific examples from the report include dozens of Defense Department contractors with Secret or Top Secret clearances; multiple FBI contractors; radiological technicians with security clearances; U.S. Department of Homeland Security employees; Army, Navy and Air Force active-duty personnel, including from the special operations force community; and police officers.
(Excerpt) Read more at firstlook.org ...
You know the sort: Lead-paint-chip-eating, cop-worshipping trolls on Free Republic.
His mom pays for broad-band. He is a keyboard commando and all around amazing guy on-line (just ask him, he’ll tell you!). He’s mastered the art of typing one handed.
There is nothing anyone could do to him that would match the cruelty with which fate cursed him. He is TexasGator. That is his life, his state and his punishment.
It doesn't matter if you do. I clearly expressed that I do not like -- that I 'condemn', if you will -- outlaw biker gangs, but the lead-addled TexasGator will simple ignore it and yammer on about how no one will 'condemn' biker gangs.
“What does it even mean..”Condemn biker gangs”?
Do I really have to explain that to you?
“If I condemn biker gangs, do I then assent to individuals that John Law declares a biker gang member to have forfeited their due process rights?”
One does not have to follow the other and you know that. One can stand against the biker gangs and still stand for due process.
But this is like Ferguson. The cops are evil so Michael Brown was a saint.
....and you will simply ignore it and continue to assert no one stands against biker gangs.
You know, like you did with me.
“Well, I am interested in what actually went down in Waco and how nine people got dead in the immediate vicinity of a sizable contingent of LEO’s.”
Me too but your bias is showing. This was a gathering of over 200 biker gang members and the dead were all 1%’ers, not just your regular after-church ‘people’.
” I clearly expressed that I do not like — that I ‘condemn’, if you will — outlaw biker gangs,”
Thank you. I didn’t see your post but I will take you for your word.
How do you know this to be true? Do you have any facts to support that view? Furthermore, what about the injured, and the imprisoned? Are they all 1%'ers?
I posted the post. I even linked to the post when you asserted -- incorrectly -- that I do not stand against outlaw biker gangs.
That's twice. You need not take me at my word, you merely need to read my statements on this thread.
“His mom pays for broad-band. He is a keyboard commando and all around amazing guy on-line (just ask him, he’ll tell you!). He’s mastered the art of typing one handed. There is nothing anyone could do to him that would match the cruelty with which fate cursed him. He is TexasGator. That is his life, his state and his punishment.”
I forgot to mention ... some of my most cherished memories are of raising my half-Arab/half-American Saddle from a colt.
“That’s twice. You need not take me at my word, you merely need to read my statements on this thread. “
Dude, take it easy. Most accept it as a compliment when someone says they will take there word for it.
“Why do the bikers use ‘us’ and ‘we’ to include the biker gangs?”
Maybe to some of them it is a distinction without a difference? Just asking . . . The biker identity is stronger?
I would like to know why the 1% criminal MC gangs are not decried. Why does the rest of the law-abiding bike population need to associate with them, at all, in any way?
The confederation of clubs seem to be a way to give cover of legitimacy to criminal gangs. Or? You point that out, and are told, well we have “common interests” such as highway safety . . .
But the confederations are controlled by the territorial outlaw gangs which also tell regular bikers how to organize their own clubs and pay dues to the likes of the Bandidos?
Any criminal MC gang that is associated with Mexican drug cartels (for example) is not patriotic, no matter how many veterans or former cops ride with them, no matter how many flags they fly, no matter how many charities they ride for, no matter what sensible legislation they lobby for.
Some of us here want to find out the truth.
So there might be several issues that are intertwined in the Waco shoot out.
The intent and behavior of LE. The intent and behavior of the outlaw gangs. The intent and behavior of the legitimate bikers who were there for the confederation meeting.
Why cannot the intent and behavior of the outlaw gangs in general be discussed here? What is the reason to divert attention back to LE and legitimate bikers, as if those issues in any way mitigate the criminality of the outlaw gangs? JUST ASKING!
So back to the original question, why don’t legitimate bikers disassociate themselves from criminal gangs? The criminality is not of minor significance . . . it is not parking tickets for parking motorcycles improperly. It affects people in all parts of the country when illegal drugs are brought in and cartels are protected.
I have an interest in knowing the truth. I am trying to separate the wheat from the chaff. I rely on FR for information, commentary, and analysis not available elsewhere.
I am not calling anyone any names. Please return the courtesy.
Right. I am quite biased. I actually insist on
Amendment XIV
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
You need to stop talking to him so he’ll get off his butt and throw out that stack of pizza boxes in the corner of his mom’s basement.
“How do you know this to be true? Do you have any facts to support that view?”
Just the published accounts.
“Furthermore, what about the injured, and the imprisoned? Are they all 1%’ers?”
The Att. General says all imprisoned are either 1%’ers or from their support ‘clubs’. Since you are not a biker, support clubs essentially do the binding of the boss club and wear a patch identifying which club they owe allegiance to.
It's odd that you would post on a forum then not read responses; even more odd that you would characterize responses you never read.
It's odd that you would post on a forum then not read responses; even more odd that you would characterize responses you never read.
“I don’t take it as a compliment”
You have that right. But if I were you I would go see a counselor and talk about your problems with relationships and life-goals.
I don't know too much about biker culture, but from what I have learned, ALL biker clubs in a given area must support the dominant club in the geographic area. The finest Christian biker group whose members never so much as shoplifted in their entire lives would be considered a 'support club'.
The Attorney General might as well have said. "All the imprisoned are humans." It carries as much significance.
Pretty durn good in that area.
But YOU should have your reading comprehension and ADD checked. Lead paint ingestion has long-lasting effects.
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