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Pentagon’s big budget F-35 fighter ‘can’t turn, can’t climb, can’t run’
Reuters ^ | July 14, 2014 | David Axe

Posted on 07/15/2014 9:06:15 PM PDT by Rabin

The U.S. military has grounded all its new F-35 Joint Strike Fighters following an incident on June 23, when one of the high-tech warplanes caught fire on the runway of a Florida air base. The no-fly order — which affects at least 50 F-35s at training and test bases in Florida, Arizona, California and Maryland.

F-35 is on track to become by far the military’s most numerous warplane. It was designed to replace almost all current fighters in the Air Force and Marine Corps and complement the Navy’s existing F/A-18s.

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.reuters.com ...


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KEYWORDS: boondoggle; f35; fighter; jointstrike; pos; wasteofmoney
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To: Rabin

I have a general military question about pilot training. If one is trained mainly in one aspect of flying, say air superiority, would he be as well trained and responsive in other areas, like first strike.

I’m asking this question along the lines of, if a plane can do everything, whether a well trained pilot can do all things well as well?

That’s not to say that a well-trained pilot can’t do everything a pilot is supposed to do, but like any job, if you specialize in a specific area it will generally hurt you in other areas.

Another example would be accounting. There are general accountants, who can pretty much do everything. However, if you sent him into an audit position, he probably wouldn’t be as proficient as an auditor as somebody who has been an auditor for thirty years.


21 posted on 07/15/2014 10:50:33 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: GeronL

It was a rhetorical question/answer to your question of “do you count them as potential enemies”.

You’re answer was essentially “yes”...


22 posted on 07/15/2014 10:51:22 PM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Axenolith

Arggggg... I’ve butchered a contraction.


23 posted on 07/15/2014 11:21:19 PM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Rabin

The biggest mistake since the TFX program, and no amount of spin or Rah Rah will change that. It’s an expensive piece of ****.


24 posted on 07/16/2014 12:17:44 AM PDT by DesScorp
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To: DesertRhino
Essentially claiming that those things will always win in any air combat encounter.

I seem to recall the same sort of things being said at the beginning of the Viet Nam war. The F4 Phantom was a fighter designed without a gun.

The DC brainiacs were wrong then... How much smarter are they now?

Mark

25 posted on 07/16/2014 12:43:16 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: aardwolf46

The F-35 was never intended as an air superiority fighter. Its role is primarily strike/CAS, and unlike many previous aircraft in this role, its stealth allows it to do things that no other plane in this role could do before. Its stealth capabilities also render the superior manoeuvrability of other fighter aircraft a moot point in most cases. I’d love to see how it compares to a Eurofighter in the air superiority role.


26 posted on 07/16/2014 2:52:14 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: Rabin

everything i’ve heard is that the F-22 was a superior aircraft... when you remove the sabotage board courtesy of china (and the progressives enabling them)

0failure mothballed it in favor of the F-35 ... which, by all accounts, isn’t very good

meanwhile, the left has insured the chinese received the plans for the F-22... and they’ve been cranking those out, minus the sabotage ofc, for a few years

treason is being committed in so many areas, people barely notice it thru the desensitized haze


27 posted on 07/16/2014 4:50:27 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: sten
The Government bureaucrats have learned that as long the sheep get plenty of coverage of their favorite celebrity , their favorite sports team, their favorite soap opera, their EBT Cards work, their obamaphones work, they get their freebies from the Government[food, rent, gas, courtesy of the ETB Card] alcohol and other dope, they will remain calm, serene, and pacified until slaughter day.
28 posted on 07/16/2014 5:06:36 AM PDT by sport
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To: Jonty30

A fighter pilot can do anything that a bomber pilot, passenger/cargo plane pilot can do, but will just be bored while doing it.

But a chopper pilot or bush plane pilot, that’s a different thing altogether, I think.


29 posted on 07/16/2014 2:09:08 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

~Its role is primarily strike/CAS, and unlike many previous aircraft in this role, its stealth allows it to do things that no other plane in this role could do before~

CAS? Imagine this thing supporting troops at low altitude and meets some sanddigger with a 50 cal or 23mm cannon. I would like to see how it’s stealth or other extraordinary capabilities would be any helpful to survive encounter.


30 posted on 08/09/2014 6:45:54 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: Rabin

F-111 for the 21st century!


31 posted on 08/09/2014 6:52:03 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (You all can go to hell, I'm going to Texas.)
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To: smokingfrog; All
Pratt & Whitney should be fired.

No this is not what you should be mad at. The engineering brethren will fix the issues, I know them well.

You should be pissed @ DOD / United Technologies for bringing TURKEY in as a partner on the Engine. For the love of G-d that Country has gone off the rails and they are still a partner on this?

Fire Turkey's sorry arse and share nothing with them. Nothing....

32 posted on 08/09/2014 6:57:38 PM PDT by taildragger (Not my Circus, Not my Monkey ( Boy does that apply to DC...))
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To: Jonty30

After fighter training of a young pilot, he or she is then trained on specific aircraft and its operational envelop and techniques as they are assigned to wings that use that aircraft.

Separate training on special simulators and classrooms.


33 posted on 08/09/2014 7:03:59 PM PDT by KC Burke (Gowdy for Supreme Court)
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To: wetphoenix

Who needs cannons when you drop a load of brimstones from a safe distance?


34 posted on 08/11/2014 3:09:22 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

Throwing brimstones from a safe distance is not a CAS mission.


35 posted on 08/11/2014 3:28:27 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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