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To: Talisker
One more thing. I come from a family with roots in coal mining Irish Roman Catholicism that had very little money or formal education. Yet I struggle to think of even one who would know what YOU mean by “Irish Institutional Catholicism” vs “Catholic theology.”

For the record, Catholic theology is that canon of belief developed and upheld by the scholars of the Vatican's magisterium and reflected in its catechism. "Institutional" in this context meant how the religion was practiced on a daily basis under the leadership of a given culture. As you may know, various ethnicities of Catholics include strains of folklore and other cultural characteristics in their churches. That is why Catholic practices in South America differ from those in Ireland, without regard to the theology.

But I am CERTAIN they would interpret it as you telling them that they were to stupid to even understand their own religious beliefs or their current political situation.

There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. Some of the most intelligent people alive can still be ignorant in the sense of not having had the means or exposure to a worldview any wider than whatever was available in their village. Before mass communications and electronics, most of the world's level of ignorance was determined by whatever degree of local poverty existed. As Frank McCourt illustrated in Angela's Ashes, poverty is not a sin. Cultural poverty is no reflection on the native intelligence of individuals, as was demonstrated by the rapid fluorishing of the Potato Famine immigrants in America.

191 posted on 06/07/2014 3:17:00 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: Albion Wilde
As you may know, various ethnicities of Catholics include strains of folklore and other cultural characteristics in their churches.

Yeah, and they also contained that canon of belief developed and upheld by the scholars of the Vatican's magisterium and reflected in its catechism.

There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity.

Yep. Ignorance is believing you can successfully refer to people as stupid in such a way that you believe they are incapable of seeing past an occluding level of sociological hyper-specificity and realizing what you are actually saying.

Stupidity is doubling down when you've been outed.

And CONTEXT is remembering that your basic point is that these knuckle-dragging Irish didn't know the difference between a Catholic funeral and burial and being dumped into a SEPTIC TANK, you insufferable jackass.

204 posted on 06/07/2014 6:52:04 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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