Thanks fantasywriter. I give everyone at least the same fair crack of the whip they give me. In my view there are no winners or losers as far as the actual personalities in such discussions go. The only winners I like to see are the somewhat more abstract things like common sense and rationality. I go wherever they might take me regarding the subject in hand. I don’t care what that might mean for the politics or personalities involved in any given conspiracy theory.
Only three conspiracy theories have attracted my close attention and caused me to do extensive boning up on them......if the truth be told part of me wishes now that I hadn’t wasted so much time researching them....they are faked moon landings, 9/11 trutherism and Obama eligibility doubting/birtherism.
So far I haven’t come across any significant aspect of any of those conspiracy theories and claims which stands up to being objectively held up to the light. That being understood, I’m by no means saying that no aspect will ever arise which stands up to scrutiny nor is it up to me to say that anyone is wrong to believe in those theories. If and when any specific aspect of those theories does actually stand up to objective examination I’d be the very first to hold up my hand and say so.
In the meantime I don’t shy away from engaging anyone who wants to discuss any specific aspect of Obama eligibility conspiracy theories, one at a time, sensibly with an open mind. However, on occasions when people become welded to belief in what are patently to all practical intents and purposes actually “impossible to be true” aspects, for random illustrative example such as the claim that “Obama attended Columbia on a Fulbright foreign student scholarship/loan/grant” even when it is explained to them with citations that for starters, apart from anything else, Fulbright loans/grants/scholarships for foreign students were never ever, and still aren’t, given to any students other than foreign POSTGRADUATE students only and that Obama, even setting aside the ‘foreign’ question, whatever else he might have been, quite clearly was not a ‘postgraduate’ student at Columbia but an undergraduate student...at those times I sometimes wish I had more tolerance and patience.
Thanks for your interesting reply. I am quite surprised to see you lumping fake moon landings, 9/11 trutherism & Obama eligibility questions all into the same category. The first two issues have attracted 99.9 percent crazy/psycho believers. I am unaware of any serious ppl w actual credentials who espouse either one. Rather, their fiercest proponents reside squarely in the lunatic fringe.
Otoh, many serious, sane people, some w excellent credentials, have discredited much of Obama’s purported lifestory. Even some liberals have disproven fundamental chunks of it. The number of legitimate questions re: his nativity is legion. Have you really investigated every single one, and disposed of them all? That wd certainly be a full time job, & wd entail quite a bit of travel. [See my tagline.] Yet those who have dedicated the most time & travel to the issue are the harshest critics of Obama’s tall nativity tales. Interesting point, isn’t it?
[There is a sharp demarcation between legitimate questions re: Obama’s fraud & deceit, and wild speculation. It’s unfortunate that the least substantiated theories suck up so much oxygen in this debate. Matters of pure, subjective speculation only obscure, & to a very real degree discredit, the more serious, evidence-based questions, inconsistencies, anomalies, non-corroborating evidence, & other problems connected to Obama’s birth narrative. Iow, it’s critical to distinguish between the doubts/issues Obama has personally engendered w his lies, secrecy, suspicious behavior & questionable documentation & the more fanciful theories advanced by tiny minorities w’in the so-called ‘birther’ movement. If you’ve spent a lot of time investigating the least substantiated speculations re: Obama’s nativity, that was indeed a waste of energy & resources.]
Given the half-truths, outright lies and paucity of verifiable facts that are available about the origins of the apparently gay, marxist, islamophile figurehead of “the most transparent administration ever,” no one can be certain about aka obama’s nativity and who he really is.
But it is certain beyond a doubt that aka obama has lied about his life’s story for the purposes of getting elected and has committed criminal identity fraud against the American people and very probably is not a natural born Citizen, either of which should have disqualified him from ever becoming the putative president.