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George Will: Let’s face it — besides Nixon’s, this is pretty much the worst second term, ever
Hot Air ^ | November 11, 2013 | Erika Johnsen

Posted on 11/11/2013 6:09:50 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike

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To: Ditto
Probably 98% of the deaths in the Civil War came in Lincoln's first term. If Lincoln had not been shot, he probably would have handled the problems of Reconstruction much better than Andrew Johnson did so there might have been less suffering and divisiveness than there was, although the major economic and racial issues of the day were beyond the capacity of the government to solve.

Several Presidents have had second terms much worse than their first--James Madison had to flee Washington ahead of a British army in his second term. Grover Cleveland was hit by a major depression at the beginning of his second term and became very unpopular. William McKinley was killed in his second term.

61 posted on 11/11/2013 8:42:11 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Hang on Georgie, barry is just getting started. He will need to scorche earth the U.S. before 2015.


62 posted on 11/11/2013 9:39:22 AM PST by Old Yeller (Obama: A dark spot in this country's history.)
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To: Din Maker
There will be no second Civil War and there will be no Revolution. There are not enough people, in this nation, with the ‘nads to do it.

Sad.

But there will be a video game of it.


63 posted on 11/11/2013 9:58:37 AM PST by Iron Munro (When a killer screams 'Allahu Akbar' you don't need to be mystified about a motive.)
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To: higgmeister
Nixon clearly wanted to find proof of the link between the Democrat Party and the Global Communist Movement. Unfortunately the Democrats used that wish to orchestrate his downfall. Nixon was right but he could never find the smoking gun.

Nixon was a patriot fighting a battle that was lost when he was hounded from office by the very same leftists he was battling.

Now the proof he sought sits in the White House and the chairs of the Senate Majority Leader and the Minority Leader of Congress.


64 posted on 11/11/2013 10:05:30 AM PST by Iron Munro (When a killer screams 'Allahu Akbar' you don't need to be mystified about a motive.)
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To: Din Maker
There will be no second Civil War and there will be no Revolution. There are not enough people, in this nation, with the ‘nads to do it.

I agree but I do think there will be a secession II. But there will be no Civil War to invade a "rebel" state(s). No ridiculous "Marching to the Sea", none of that. These aren't your GGGF Yannkees.

65 posted on 11/11/2013 10:17:07 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
George Will: Let’s face it — besides Nixon’s, this is pretty much the worst second term, ever.

I always had a funny feeling about this guy Will.

This is the most asinine thing I've read all year.
Covering up a political break-in is in the same league with destroying a national economy, creating an atmosphere conducive to criminal scandals of all sorts, people dying and muslims enmboldened to increase their worldwide campaign of mayhem and mass murder...?

WTF?

66 posted on 11/11/2013 11:08:12 AM PST by publius911 (At least Nixon had the good grace to resign!)
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To: Ditto

If he wasn’t as great as a Caesar he wouldn’t have a Temple dedicated to him.


67 posted on 11/11/2013 11:13:17 AM PST by Pelham (Obamacare, the vanguard of Obammunism)
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To: donmeaker

Killing off a large percentage of the population in order to save the country.. something Obama likely envies.


68 posted on 11/11/2013 11:17:37 AM PST by Pelham (Obamacare, the vanguard of Obammunism)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Already Obama’s second term sucks far worse than Nixon’s. This is just an attempt to limit the damage to Obama’s and the Democrat’s reputation for next year. “Well, it’s not as bad as Nixon the Republican!” BS. It is FAR WORSE.


69 posted on 11/11/2013 11:30:15 AM PST by CodeToad (When ignorance rules a person's decision they are resorting to superstition.)
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To: Pelham

Keep in mind that after the insurrection ended, only one person was killed: and that after a trial. the very deserving commandant of the Andersonville pow camp.

We also keep in mind that RE Lee issued orders for his soldiers to shoot men who were not sufficiently forward.

Jackson also shot soldiers who straggled.

Pickett shot US soldiers from North Carolina, accusing them of being deserters from the pretended confederate army.

Who started the shooting? That would be the insurrection.


70 posted on 11/11/2013 12:09:39 PM PST by donmeaker
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To: central_va

Borrowing the Toronto mayor’s pipe?


71 posted on 11/11/2013 12:11:16 PM PST by donmeaker
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To: mosesdapoet

The “Plumbers” were an intelligence group. Embassies used to be routinely raided, and code books copied.

Germany had raided the US embassy to Egypt. Germany had US egyptian embassy codes, and based on their intercepts, advanced knowledge of british troop movements in north africa, until the US military attache which provided the source for the intercepts was recalled.

John Dean, Nixon’s lawyer, ordered the burglary of the Democrat office in the Watergate. In the pocket of one of the plumbers was a book that had his wife’s number. She had been an escort for the Democrat party, to entertain people from out of town. Dean had apparently coopted the plumbers to secure that book. The Democrats turned him, and he blamed it all on Nixon. Nixon took it to protect the intelligence effort.

The president has vast authority in the field of intelligence. “When the president does it, it is legal.”


72 posted on 11/11/2013 12:19:08 PM PST by donmeaker
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To: donmeaker

What President presided over the death of the largest percentage of the American population? And will Obama use him as a role model?


73 posted on 11/11/2013 12:19:14 PM PST by Pelham (Obamacare, the vanguard of Obammunism)
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To: Iron Munro

Lincoln didn’t start the war. That would be Jeff Davis.

The slave power started the war, fought it by illegal methods calculated to cause mass casualties, and lost because their cause was so horrific that no foreign nation would recognize them, and few even in the south supported their goals. Over 40 regiments of southern men fought for the Union.

Lincoln could have permitted the slave power to murder more, to enslave more, to rape more. That would not have made him a better president.


74 posted on 11/11/2013 12:23:17 PM PST by donmeaker
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To: Pelham

That would be Jeff Davis....

He just wasn’t a president of a real country.


75 posted on 11/11/2013 12:24:56 PM PST by donmeaker
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To: Mike Darancette

Lasted about 5 weeks or so?


76 posted on 11/11/2013 12:26:03 PM PST by Radix ("..Democrats are holding a meeting today to decide whether to overturn the results of the election.")
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To: donmeaker

Which means your hero was killing American citizens. Of course that was made easier by his prolific use of foreign born soldiers. The Revolutionaries of 1848 and the First International were ardent supporters and big fans of centralized power.


77 posted on 11/11/2013 12:39:59 PM PST by Pelham (Obamacare, the vanguard of Obammunism)
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To: Pelham

The US Army was killing an army of insurrection. The insurrection army was killing US military forces.

You know, this just shows that the Union was too lenient. Every one of the members of the insurrection could have been strung up and hung, from Jeff Davis to the dog of the lowest soldier in the forces of the insurrection. Then we would know that it was indeed an insurrection, and that ain’t beanbag. The southern soldier survived through the mercy of the victorious US government. They died because of the evil treason of the slave power that started the war.

The insurrection started the shooting, and now you complain that the poor forces of the insurrection suffered too many casualties from the legitmate government of the US.

Force begats force, violence begats violence. I want any traitor planing an insurrection to know that violent treason will begat more violence than you, he or they are willing to stand.


78 posted on 11/11/2013 12:50:58 PM PST by donmeaker
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To: donmeaker; Iron Munro

“Lincoln didn’t start the war. That would be Jeff Davis.”

donnie loves to ignore the role of John Brown and his ilk in the North who had been sowing the seeds of war for years. They wanted war and financed Brown to ignite it.

Thomas Fleming’s excellent book “A Disease in the Public Mind: A New Understanding of Why We Fought the Civil War” describes the long campaign of hate that the North had been engaged in leading up to 1861.

“By the time John Brown hung from the gallows for his crimes at Harper’s Ferry, Northern abolitionists had made him a “holy martyr” in their campaign against Southern slave owners. This Northern hatred for Southerners long predated their objections to slavery. They were convinced that New England, whose spokesmen had begun the American Revolution, should have been the leader of the new nation. Instead, they had been displaced by Southern “slavocrats” like Thomas Jefferson. This malevolent envy exacerbated the South’s greatest fear: a race war. Jefferson’s cry, “We are truly to be pitied,” summed up their dread. For decades, extremists in both regions flung insults and threats, creating intractable enmities. By 1861, only a civil war that would kill a million men could save the Union.”


79 posted on 11/11/2013 12:53:39 PM PST by Pelham (Obamacare, the vanguard of Obammunism)
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To: donmeaker

You truly are a legitimate heir to John Brown. Anyone wondering how the Civil War got rolling only needs to read your posts here at FR.


80 posted on 11/11/2013 12:55:06 PM PST by Pelham (Obamacare, the vanguard of Obammunism)
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