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To: DiogenesLamp
John C. Eastman, , Dean of Chapman University’s law school, who testified before Congress and

an excerpt of an article of what really the phrase "subject to the jurisdiction" means - his testimony before Congress:



Dr. John C. Eastman, Dean of Chapman University’s law school in Orange, California, is among the leading scholars in the nation on constitutional law and has testified before Congress on the issue of birthright citizenship. Eastman states plainly that the framers of the 14th Amendment had no intention of allowing another country to wage demographic warfare against the U.S. and reshaping its culture by means of exploiting birthright citizenship.

“We have this common understanding of when you come here to visit, that you are subject to our jurisdiction. You have to obey our traffic laws. If you come here from England, you have to drive on the right side of the road and not on the left side of the road,” he said. “But the framers of the 14th Amendment had in mind two different notions of ‘subject to the jurisdiction.’ There was what they called territorial jurisdiction— you have to follow the laws in the place where you are—but there was also this more complete, or allegiance-owing jurisdiction that held that you not only have to follow the laws, but that you owe allegiance to the sovereign. And that doesn’t come by just visiting here. That comes by taking an oath of support and becoming part of the body politic. And it is that jurisdiction that they are talking about in the 14th Amendment.”

Then by definition—and one would think common sense—legal tourists here to enjoy Disneyland and illegal immigrants who broke into the country clearly do not fall under this blanket of allegiance-owing jurisdiction. Accordingly, their giving birth on American soil does not make their children citizens. ... "

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From the article that was posted here in 2010.

American Jackpot: The Remaking of America by Birthright Citizenship

601 posted on 07/22/2013 9:18:45 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

I am an adult education teacher. I had a female student a couple of years ago who was from Laredo, Texas. She told me that her husband was in prison for helping sneak illegal immigrants into the country. She also told me that when she lived on the border, people are allowed to go back and forth to “shop”. She said that when pregnant Mexican women know they are in labor, they take the bus into the US to “shop”. She said they go to a US hospital to have the baby. She said they do this so that when the child is 18, he is a US citizen and can come back here for an education and job.


609 posted on 07/23/2013 6:17:14 AM PDT by Jude in WV
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To: Red Steel; 1rudeboy
Dr. John C. Eastman, Dean of Chapman University’s law school in Orange, California, is among the leading scholars in the nation on constitutional law and has testified before Congress on the issue of birthright citizenship.

I forgot about him. There's another one of those "Legal Authorities" which Jeff keeps repeating we don't have, even though he's been shown that he is wrong over and over and over again.

If I were Jeff, which i'm not, and I were CRAZY, which i'm not, I would put Eastman's name into a MASSIVE WALL OF TEXT with which to SPAM anyone who disagrees with me, which I won't.

676 posted on 07/23/2013 3:50:43 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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