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Libertarian Leanings on Pot, Same-Sex Marriage, and Gun Rights (Is America trending Libertarian?)
National Review ^ | 06/17/2013 | Michael Barone

Posted on 06/17/2013 7:18:47 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Jewbacca
1. Libertarians oppose abortion because of the rights of the child

That is a lie, libertarianism leaves the decision to the woman, with zero limitations or outside interference.

4. Libertarians do not oppose local laws regarding public gay behavior

Another lie, libertarianism is about all government and there position is that government should not treat homosexuals differently.

10. Libertarians oppose drugs the use of which presents a danger to the public-at-large from the idiot drug users

Another lie, libertarians believe that drug use is a purely personal decision and that government stay out of it and that advertising them should be legal.

Libertarians also support open borders, and much more, telling us what they are against is one thing, but don't fight so hard to keep conservatives from telling us what libertarians are for.

181 posted on 06/19/2013 4:11:47 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: tacticalogic

LOL, you can’t even explain yourself when you claim that post 158 was some kind of personal attack, you just want to say it, scream a lot, and then become unresponsive when asked “what in the world are you talking about, can you explain your claim?”


182 posted on 06/19/2013 4:15:22 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: ansel12
We define things through our own eyes. The things we put in the forefront are those things most dear to our minds. Those who are hung up on sexual things generally have some problems in that area!

It is easy to see through the eyes of some people, and those posts reveal everything we needed to know!

Liberty is the opposite of tyranny.

183 posted on 06/19/2013 4:18:27 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("...the press had better learn from their experiences of being duped "...-Sarah Palin 5/17/13)
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To: Woodman
The answer is religious institutions in America need to endorse marriages as a sacrament, and offer marriage certificates as a service only. Get them completely detached from the government and they can determine what a marriage reply is.

Islam is a church, Mormonism is a church, the gay lesbian Priestess is a church, and the Pentecostals are a church, so that doesn't help anything, besides, in America, atheists can't be left out.

Married people and families have to be able to travel and relocate in America, and they enlist in the military where marriage needs to be recognized, people have to be able to carry their marriage and children with them.

184 posted on 06/19/2013 4:21:38 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: ansel12
Are you still denying trying to set me up to look like I support the "gay agenda"?

I'm getting really tired of that crap from you.

185 posted on 06/19/2013 4:22:00 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

It’s because he supports the gay agenda.


186 posted on 06/19/2013 4:22:52 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Jewbacca
It’s because he supports the gay agenda.

I'll just stick with what I have the evidence to support.

187 posted on 06/19/2013 4:25:00 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: WVKayaker

“””We define things through our own eyes. The things we put in the forefront are those things most dear to our minds. Those who are hung up on sexual things generally have some problems in that area!
It is easy to see through the eyes of some people, and those posts reveal everything we needed to know!”””

Gay marriage is at the forefront of politics right now and the struggle between conservatism and the left/libertarians, this is a political forum, let’s discuss the matter.


188 posted on 06/19/2013 4:25:40 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: tacticalogic

So, I made no personal attack on you, then you should never have claimed it.


189 posted on 06/19/2013 4:27:14 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: ansel12; Admin Moderator
So, I made no personal attack on you, then you should never have claimed it.

Well, then maybe I was mistaken. Let's find out.

190 posted on 06/19/2013 4:28:25 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

Interesting, you can’t point out the personal attack in post 158, but you want the moderator to search it to see if he can find one.

That is a new approach.


191 posted on 06/19/2013 4:33:44 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: ansel12
Gay marriage is at the forefront of politics right now...

Only in the mind of those obsessed with it...

As a Christian, I find it to just be another form of unGodliness!

Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude. -Alexis de Tocqueville

192 posted on 06/19/2013 4:37:09 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("...the press had better learn from their experiences of being duped "...-Sarah Palin 5/17/13)
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To: WVKayaker
Only in the mind of those obsessed with it...

How disingenuous are you?

Gay marriage and homosexuals in the military, homosexual adoption and immigration are all red hot current topics, it is part of the topic of this very thread, libertarianism and gay marriage.

Don't be trying to tell freerepublic that gay marriage is only for the "obsessed".

193 posted on 06/19/2013 4:42:04 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: ansel12

I think they’ve been around long enough to know a setup job when they see it. I’ll make some popcorn, and let them do what they do for however long it takes, and I’ll be happy to talk to them about it.


194 posted on 06/19/2013 4:42:49 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

That is very revealing, more of an admission.

You clearly do know what libertarianism is in regards to gay marriage and the military.


195 posted on 06/19/2013 4:47:08 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: ansel12

I’ll wait for a seond opinion on that, and anyting else you have to allow, thank you.


196 posted on 06/19/2013 4:53:56 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

You expect the moderators to post the libertarian position on gay marriage and homosexuals in the military?

I can do that for you, they want the government to be blind to sexual preference.

“Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government’s treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships.”


197 posted on 06/19/2013 5:00:12 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: ansel12

From them, I expect a fair answer when they get to it.


198 posted on 06/19/2013 5:07:10 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: ansel12
Don't be trying to tell freerepublic that gay marriage is only for the "obsessed".

I'm merely reflecting on your obsession with it. You are the one telling everybody what the libertarian line is on all of the subjects...NOT. You are only focused on the homos. The body of the article has very little focus on it, and relies more on facts and observations of society on all of those subjects.

I am conservative. I am for liberty. God is on my side...

I will end with Scripture... and a commentary...

Proverbs 18:2 Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions.

Luke 4:18 says, "He hath anointed me...to preach deliverance to the captives." The meaning of the word "liberty" is deliverance, and Christ proclaiming liberty means He releases or gives liberty to the captives of Satan. The word "preach" means proclaim or announce to Satan’s captives in the name of the God of Heaven, the King of Heaven, that He has purchased their freedom by His death on the cross. It is indeed good news to a captive of Satan, who has come to realize that he is held a prisoner of Satan, to know that it is the work of Christ to release him from his bondage, to let him go, to set him free, or to set him at liberty. I proclaim in the name of my blessed Lord, the King of kings and Lord of lords, that Christ has purchased the deliverance of the prisoners of Satan. Does that mean anything to you, my friend? -Jesus Proclaims Liberty to the Captives, L. R. Shelton, Sr.

199 posted on 06/19/2013 9:59:56 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("...the press had better learn from their experiences of being duped "...-Sarah Palin 5/17/13)
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To: ansel12; Dead Corpse
So libertarianism is against gay marriage, and drugs.

Just because you might be against something doesn't mean you want the government to enforce its antithesis. Let's take the War on Drugs [WOD] for an example; the WOD has continually worn down the Bill of Rights within jurisprudence:

  1. The 8th Amendment -- Can you really tell me that the sentences for drug possession are in line with the offense itself? (Felonies?)
  2. The 6th Amendment -- Can you honestly say that the prosecution accusing the defendant of being a drug-user does not taint jury-pools against him?
    Remember, it is supposed to be that the prosecution proves guilt, not that the defendant proves innocence.
  3. The 6th Amendment -- Can you honestly tell me that the WOD has not impacted the timeliness of trials.
  4. The 5th Amendment -- Can you honestly tell me that the authorities do not regularly deprive people of life, liberty, or property due to the WOD?
    Yes, I know that there's the without due process of law portion, but that leads us to the nest item:
  5. The 4th Amendment -- this reads as follows:
    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
    This can be divided into two independent ideas: (1) that the right to be free of unreasonable search/seizure shall not be violated, and that the issuance of warrants is to be based on probable cause (not that probable cause abrogates the need for a warrant, as many would have you believe) which is itself specific: particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. (Also note that the probable cause is given under oath, therefore it is possible for the officer to commit perjury whilst trying to get a warrant.)
  6. The 2nd Amendment -- Given that a lot of Drug crimes have become felonies it is a method to deprive huge sections of the population from firearms; even if they have completely served their sentence. (And that is a terrible thing to contemplate.)
  7. The 1st Amendment -- according to this link the former Drug Czar threatened to arrest any doctor who merely mentioned to a patient that marijuana might alleviate the suffering caused by AIDS, cancer, or other serious illnesses.
  8. The 1st Amendment -- The same link also references a case where Native Americans were denied unemployment benefits due to peyote usage... though the interesting part, as quoted on wikipedia, is this:
    It is a permissible reading of the [free exercise clause]...to say that if prohibiting the exercise of religion is not the object of the [law] but merely the incidental effect of a generally applicable and otherwise valid provision, the First Amendment has not been offended....To make an individual's obligation to obey such a law contingent upon the law's coincidence with his religious beliefs, except where the State's interest is 'compelling' - permitting him, by virtue of his beliefs, 'to become a law unto himself,' contradicts both constitutional tradition and common sense.' To adopt a true 'compelling interest' requirement for laws that affect religious practice would lead towards anarchy.
    If you will note, this general applicability is exactly what is being used to argue that churches and religious organizations (and private persons) cannot be exempted from funding abortion and contraceptives via ObamaCare.
So, please answer this question: is the War On Drugs worth the damages it has inflicted on the Bill of Rights?
200 posted on 06/19/2013 10:53:02 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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