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To: research99
Lincoln’s approval of Gen Grant and Sherman’s “scorched earth” treatment of the South makes him culpable for more murder and destruction within the US than any other President in our history.

Well, no, that President would be Jefferson Davis, who chose to launch war against the United States in the belief, accurate as it turned out, that doing so would force Upper South and Border states to choose sides. He also believed, only half correctly, that they would all or most join the CSA.

The story of Sherman's March to the Sea being a Mongol-like continuous massacre serves, like all myths, psychological purposes. That's why myths develop. Oddly, it was universally acknowledged at the time that SC was treated MUCH more harshly than GA, but it's the GA march that gets the publicity.

A similar myth is that held by Irish-Americans of widespread "No Irish Need Apply" notifications in help-wanted ads. Didn't happen. Yet another is the Mormon mythology of systematic attempted extermination by mobocrats in MO and elsewhere.

What all three myths have in common is their taking of actual events and exaggerating them wildly out of all relationship to reality. This then justifies those reveling in the myths in later feelings of victimhood and self-justification.

The "No Irish Need Apply" myth was comprehensively demolished by a scholar who set out to quantify its extent, not disprove it. But what he discovered in his research is that it didn't happen.

For years now I've asked believers in the other two myths (Sherman and Mormon) to post links to research quantifying the extent of the killing and raping (as opposed to property theft and destruction) perpetrated.

Nobody has ever done so. Seems like someone who really believes in these myths would be happy to do the research to document their truth, but this doesn't seem to be the case.

Here's an interesting article by someone who did research the infamous March to the Sea. Not much quantification here, but does cover the reasons the myth developed.

http://people.cohums.ohio-state.edu/grimsley1/myth/myth.htm

Side comment. I've always found it extremely odd that neo-confederates can denounce Sherman's March while at the same time, which most of them do, consider US military policy in WWII of indiscriminate attacks on civilian populations justified.

43 posted on 04/13/2013 8:56:01 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
The "No Irish Need Apply" myth was comprehensively demolished by a scholar who set out to quantify its extent, not disprove it. But what he discovered in his research is that it didn't happen.

Well, there is this from the New York Times in 1854:

I does seem to be the only one on the Internet, though.

I noticed that people always put the time the signs appeared roughly in their grandparents time. So you'd have politicians in recent years talking about "No Irish Need Apply" signs in Boston in the 1930s, a time when the Irish largely ran the city, at least politically, and such signs weren't in evidence.

So far as I can tell the current version is that at one point in the early 19th century such signs or lines in ads appeared London, England. Irishmen wrote songs about that and when the songs were passed down the legend grew that such signs were common in the US.

Something similar may be true of the "No Dogs or Jews" signs people claim to have seen on the lawns of fancy hotels. There may well have been such signs in Nazi Germany, but it's doubtful to me that any upscale hotel would be so blatant or that that particular wording was common in the US. There were other ways of getting the message across (i.e. restricted clientele).

46 posted on 04/13/2013 12:05:18 PM PDT by x
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