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To: xzins; mkjessup; stephenjohnbanker
It is a constant struggle that doesn't leave us. Paul says that “the things I want to do, I don't do, and the things I don't want to do, I do.”

He goes on: “O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord!”


Sorry I didn't get back to you guys sooner, but this is truly the most important topic to us Conservative Christians, not to be taken lightly, so because of that, and because it is so easy to offend sincere professing Christians on these topics I wanted to think about it and make sure my response was the correct one and as least offensive as it could be.

That having been said, I am going to respond to several things that were said and will do it over the span of this week because it deserves, like I said before, a lot of thought.

First of all, xzins, I believe the verse you quoted was from Romans Chapter 7. Romans Chapter 7 HAS to be read along with Romans Chapter 8, not just because it follows Chapter 7, but because it fully answers the hopelessness of the sinner just awakened in Chapter 7. In other words, Chapter 8 finishes Chapter 7.

Chapter 7 describes the condition of a man becoming aware of his total sinfulness and his total helplessness in doing anything about it until he finally turns to Christ his Savior.

Chapter 8 describes the state of that same man after he has repented and believed the Gospel for in that chapter, Paul states the following:

1. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

xzins, Christ commanded us that "you must be born again", he also commanded the woman at the well, the harlot, to go and sin no more.

None of his commands were presented, in context, as being in the future at our death, even when he stated "be ye perfect, as I am perfect". All of his commands concerning sin and holiness were in the immediate, the "right now" and never were any his commands, like the one he uttered to the harlot, presented in a fashion as if he were saying "I know you will fail, I know you will sin again".

My general point in this post is that we, as Christians, too often give ourselves excuses for doing things we know are not the best, and even in some cases sin, because we choose not to believe that God came to save us from our sin in the immediate, in the here and now.

Even if you believe that the the salvation that Christ came to give us on this earth does not FREE you from your sin or give you power over your sins, and that you have to continue to live in your sin, there is no excuse for situational Christianity, none.

We as Christians cannot, under any circumstances, support a man or woman who wantonly and knowlingly supports sins and sinful behaviors like Murder (Abortion) or Homosexuality.

To do so, cheapens our testimonies as Christians.

There is more to come...
230 posted on 09/02/2012 11:59:17 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: SoConPubbie
There is more to come...

Do not ping me. I have no further interest in what you morally superior beings have to say.
231 posted on 09/03/2012 1:35:14 AM PDT by mkjessup (Finley Peter Dunne - "Politics ain't beanbag")
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