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Ryan is a good man, but does not redeem the abortionist/homosexualist statist Romney
Aug 11, 2012 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 08/11/2012 4:42:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Except for his unfortunate go along to get along support of TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending and the increased credit limit, etc, Ryan is a pretty good choice. Probably the best choice of the RINOS that were on Romney's short list. I support Ryan for the vice presidency. Wish he were at the top of the ticket, though.

But I still cannot and will not support the grand father of ObamaCare. Romney still loves and brags about his bastard brainchild, RomneyCare, even today when he knows what an anti-liberty socialist POS it is.

And the fact that he advocated that abortion should be safe and legal in America for over three decades of his adult lifetime and even advocated that Roe v Wade should be supported and sustained as settled law precludes any consideration whatsoever by this pro-life Christian for Myth Romney for the presidency.

And the fact that he boasted that he would be better for "gay rights" than Ted Kennedy, and proved it just increases my resistance.

That, and his penchant for gun control, his continuing support for global warming, gays in the scouts, gays in the military, and his record of appointing liberal judges makes it all but impossible for me to support him.

Lastly, we're having a bit of changeover on our moderator staff. At least two moderators resigned this afternoon after I flatly refused to rein in a so-called anti-Mormon "bigot" on FR. Well, if being in opposition to false prophets and false prophecy makes a Christian believer a bigot, then I guess I'm a bigot. I've posted before that I flat do not believe that the Book of Mormon is the true word of God. Nor do I believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. The Christian bible warns us to be weary of false prophets and that I am. Romney being the presumptive Republican nominee does not change that fact.


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To: smoothsailing

641 posted on 08/11/2012 9:08:44 PM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: arasina
If God can use a donkey, He can certainly use a Mormon.Beautifully stated!

No doubt that's true, so why didn't He use obama?

Or, has He used obama to give us exactly what we asked for in our heart of hearts?

Or maybe He gave us obama just so we would ask for Mitt?

Or, maybe He just turned away from us as we have turned away from Him and is just letting the clock run out before judgement kicks in?

I guess we'll find out one way or the other. If the Mayans don't get us first...

642 posted on 08/11/2012 9:10:09 PM PDT by GBA
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To: Kevmo

Which is what I’m saying. I’m not sure the results of Jim hypothetically becoming a clothespin nose voter would be marked with civilized, adult, articulate, reasoned disagreements rather than sharp, sour opuses, and not a few catcalls of “MITTBOT.”


643 posted on 08/11/2012 9:10:26 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Syncro
> Which is exactly what the GOP-e is/are doing.

At this point, the best chance we have to peacefully save our Republic as founded is to take the Republican party away from the GOP-e.

This is doable, but only from the bottom up, i.e. flood the GOP with real conservatives from the county level up to the state and national offices.

This has been happening, but will take more than a couple of election cycles to see it through.

And at this point in time, the GOP-e has the upper hand the further "up ticket" you go, but their power is steadily eroding, as seen by Mitt's VP pick, Dewhurst loosing to Cruz, etc.

The GOP-e knows that they would have absolutely no chance of holding any power if we did not support them.

So as much as I hate to see Mitt as President,I know all of us here agree that a second term for Obama is a guaranteed death sentence for the U.S. as founded.

Voting for Mitt should be considered as a tactical necessity needed to allow us to gain even more down ballot positions and nothing more.

644 posted on 08/11/2012 9:10:36 PM PDT by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: LukeSW
But your unmitigated opposition to Romney based on your personal religious test is not only unconstitutional...

You say you're a lawyer, yet you post that drivel?

645 posted on 08/11/2012 9:10:51 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (If you fear Obama, you'll vote for Romney. If you fear God, you won't.)
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To: Timber Rattler

I do not think any amount of proof stuffed in your face would move you. You’d just weasel on to some other topic.


646 posted on 08/11/2012 9:11:51 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Names Ash Housewares; nicmarlo
Obama must go, or nothing else will matter later.

Nah. Nothing to worry about. He'll have four more years and then we can get a real Conservative in the White House. /sarc

Obama Signs Bill Exempting Presidential Appointees from Senate Confirmation

President Barack Obama signed a bill Friday evening that would exempt some senior-level presidential appointees from Senate confirmation.

Sponsored by Democratic Sen. Chuck Schumer and cosponsored by Republicans and Democrats, the bill, now law, weakens the power of the legislature and strengthens the executive branch, critics have warned. The bill skated through the Senate three months after being introduced in 2011 and was passed by the Republican-controlled House 261-116 in July.

The law now allows Obama and future presidents to name appointees to senior positions in every branch of the administration, from the Department of the Treasury to the Department of Homeland Security.


647 posted on 08/11/2012 9:12:01 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: nicmarlo

So Obama will win by 0.0001% of the vote? Now that is a very close election. Too bad the Republican Party crapped on all us conservatives, isn’t it?


648 posted on 08/11/2012 9:12:10 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: CWSNTEXAS

Probably. And the Baptists are wrong, too, about that and many other things.

What I see as the major issue with Christians, Christianity, and those religions which claim to be so is their bringing extraneous rules, doctrines, and people’s opinions (some call them ‘prophetic visions’) into their belief system instead of relying solely upon the Holy Scriptures and studying what God and the Holy Spirit have to say.


649 posted on 08/11/2012 9:12:26 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: Norm Lenhart

You are absolutely insane. I do not compare Nazi atrocities for political gain. I swear there is something bizarre that has happened here since I’ve been gone. This place is almost unrecognizable.


650 posted on 08/11/2012 9:13:12 PM PDT by CWSNTEXAS (The Jewish Pope)
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To: GBA

LOL! Nice post. We need a little humor about now.


651 posted on 08/11/2012 9:13:22 PM PDT by windsorknot
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To: Kevmo; daisy mae for the usa; BlackElk; joanie-f; Steve Schulin; Gelato; Colonel_Flagg; ...
The American Independent Party of California nominates Tom Hoefling for President
652 posted on 08/11/2012 9:13:25 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of America starts the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Can't disagree with any of the bullet points in that piece. However I think the Romneycare issue might be functionally irrelevant. Romney is so far out-on-the-limb on pledging to repeal Obamacare, even moreso now that one of the chief conservative spokesmen against Obamacare is his V.P., that I think we can count on his administration repealing Obamacare. And Obamacare would be so damaging to the country if it becomes enacted in full, that I can't in good conscience remain neutral in this race or claim that there's no difference between the two tickets.

Romney can't be trusted, that's for sure. But I think with the choice of Ryan he may be showing that he really doesn't have core values because he's picking someone who has held far more conservative positions for far longer than he has. Which is at least better than being a liberal Kool-aid drinker. Because if he has no core, we do have a chance as the conservative base to keep the pressure on him as President and make sure he does what we want. We may lose some battles with his administration, but far less than we'd lose with Obama. Not to mention, grooming Ryan to be a future presidential candidate would be an extremely good side effect.

That, and they've got a good Batman/Robin vibe going.


653 posted on 08/11/2012 9:14:04 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: Resettozero
So Obama will win by 0.0001% of the vote? Now that is a very close election.

In your dreams. Your third party candidate will obtain that amount of the vote, 3% at most, and hand Obama the White House. See how that works out for you over the next four years.

654 posted on 08/11/2012 9:14:43 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: FreeReign

It will be a cold day in hell before the Senate Democrats vote to remove Obama from office.

Maybe, but let's look at the numbers. In November, 33 of the 100 Senate seats are up for grabs. Of these, 22 are Democrat or Democrat leaning Independent. Currently 47 Senators are Republicans. Which means we require a gain of 19 seats to achieve a 2/3rds majority. That's probably not going to happen; it would be unprecedented but not impossible. However, and this is a big one, an additional 20 Democrat Senators risk losing their seats in 2014. That makes 42 Democrats at risk over the next two years. With Obama in office making ALL Democrats look like Marxist thugs, you better believe they will turn on Obama in a New York minute to try and save what semblance of power that remains to them. Gaining 19 seats in two years when 42 are vulnerable, all with Obama poisoning the Democrat brand, is a walk in the park. Yes, I think when the time comes the Senate Democrats will help, and if they don't ... it won't matter because we won't need them. But that's only if Romney is not installed and does not have the opportunity to poison the Republican brand before 2014.


655 posted on 08/11/2012 9:14:44 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Kevmo
Where in this post did JimRob say that his “unmitigated opposition to Romney” was “ based on a personal religious test”?

Even if he did, (and you're right, he did not) it is certainly not "unconstitutional" for an individual to use whatever test he wants to, to determine how or who he votes for. The Mormon, Harvard,lawyer is full of s###!

656 posted on 08/11/2012 9:15:23 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (If you fear Obama, you'll vote for Romney. If you fear God, you won't.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I do not think any amount of proof stuffed in your face would move you. You’d just weasel on to some other topic.

I'll take that to mean that you do not have any evidence whatsoever of Romney actually "socking" it to Obama.

657 posted on 08/11/2012 9:15:52 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: CWSNTEXAS
"It pains me to see such outward hatred on this site..."

This premise is false.

Again..how is it hatred to stand up for you own beliefs?

As far as Romney and the GOP-e go..

As the full fabric of America thou canst not see
King of the Free World thou shalt not be.

Constitutionalists believe in religious freedom...and refrain from calling it racist or bigoted to hold firm to your beliefs.

In my opinion...if Romney and company follows this leftist insane pc path of quilting people who do not deserve it...they will not just lose, they will lose in a landslide.

658 posted on 08/11/2012 9:16:04 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: Norm Lenhart
So is God using all the Homosexuals? Is their recruiting children helping further his intent too?

Or how about is he using the Muslims and their clitorectimies to further his word?

Is their no excuse or rationalization you Romney supporters will not endorse to further his anticonservatism?

None of that is remotely close to what I posted. I do hope you didn't hurt yourself making that tremendous stretch :-)

No, I don't believe those things.

.

Now an easy yes or no question for you.... do you believe God is powerful enough to use a Mormon?

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659 posted on 08/11/2012 9:16:13 PM PDT by Tamzee (The U.S. re-electing Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and ramming the iceberg again.)
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To: TurkeyLurkey

Thank you for your response!


660 posted on 08/11/2012 9:16:28 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie
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