Ryan is a good man, but does not redeem the abortionist/homosexualist statist Romney

Aug 11, 2012 | Jim Robinson

[Jim Robinson]

Except for his unfortunate go along to get along support of TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending and the increased credit limit, etc, Ryan is a pretty good choice. Probably the best choice of the RINOS that were on Romney's short list. I support Ryan for the vice presidency. Wish he were at the top of the ticket, though.

But I still cannot and will not support the grand father of ObamaCare. Romney still loves and brags about his bastard brainchild, RomneyCare, even today when he knows what an anti-liberty socialist POS it is.

And the fact that he advocated that abortion should be safe and legal in America for over three decades of his adult lifetime and even advocated that Roe v Wade should be supported and sustained as settled law precludes any consideration whatsoever by this pro-life Christian for Myth Romney for the presidency.

And the fact that he boasted that he would be better for "gay rights" than Ted Kennedy, and proved it just increases my resistance.

That, and his penchant for gun control, his continuing support for global warming, gays in the scouts, gays in the military, and his record of appointing liberal judges makes it all but impossible for me to support him.

Lastly, we're having a bit of changeover on our moderator staff. At least two moderators resigned this afternoon after I flatly refused to rein in a so-called anti-Mormon "bigot" on FR. Well, if being in opposition to false prophets and false prophecy makes a Christian believer a bigot, then I guess I'm a bigot. I've posted before that I flat do not believe that the Book of Mormon is the true word of God. Nor do I believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. The Christian bible warns us to be weary of false prophets and that I am. Romney being the presumptive Republican nominee does not change that fact.

[colorcountry]

I see you won’t answer a simple question.

What does a Jew do when confronted with a lie?

It is a pretty simple question - I shouldn’t have to read the Torah. I’m starting to wonder if you have.

[ansel12]

What reference from 2007?

Discerning people do not have to be deceived by every lying politician’s every statement.

Romney is a pathological liar by nature, and he has been trained all of his life to lie, and now you want to accept that he honestly had epiphany, after epiphany, after epiphany, and totally reversed his almost 60 years of beliefs and hard fought politics, on issue after issue after issue, as he started running for president?

No one but Mitt, has ever made such a cynical, instant, superman in a phone booth like reversal, of almost ALL of his lifelong politics.

[Elsie]

Of course I may have missed some Mormon posts but I sure haven’t seen proseltyzing by Mormons here.

Of course. They are not dumb; they know their intended audience and target them.

FReepers are too well informed to fall for the lies of MORMONism.

In fact; just the opposite occurs here.

[Elsie]

Religion of conservatives should NOT be an issue.

Yeah!!

Only LIBERALS!!

--MormonDude(Like Mitt! {uh... did I just type that??} )

[Elsie]

Well if anyone can point you to it, it’s Elsie.

Are you saying that I place more mormon doctrine and scripture on FR than even MORMONs do???

[Elsie]

Youve never read Jeff’s posts ???

The one's that contain KJV bible passages, but hardly ever show anything from MORMON sources?

[Williams]

Let me be more specific. I think the last time I jumped into one of these religious forum debates, someone was there advising Roman Catholics that they should be so concerned about Mormonism and Mormons converting Catholics.

I explained that I’ve never known a RC converted to Mormonsim, but have seen plenty start attending the new evangelical christian denomination down the road. And that as a Roman Catholic I have more issue with the Protestant Reformation than with Mormonism. Because Mormonism amounts to exactly squat in most of this country (Apologies to Nevada and Utah).

Let’s be real, FR has taken on an anti Mormonism trend and there is no flood of Mormons pushing their faith here. Not saying there are not a few.

My issue is defeating Obama.

[Elsie]

That is G-d’s word.

Makes me wonder just WHY did those Jews latch onto 613 laws; instead of the easy seven?

[Elsie]

They’re in the majority.

Nah...

They're just very noisy.

[Elsie]

I answered your question.

My Alzheimer's has flared up again.

Which question did I ask, and where did you answer it?

[Williams]

I apologize that it is fun riling up those who are especially rilable on religious matters. But yes I have to say I have learned about Mormonism from anti Mormon posters on FR. All very interesting and I love people posting whatever they like. Probably not as interesting as when we advise people who’ve sighted demons dancing in their living rooms, but still worth a glance.

As for Mormonism, I’m older than I wish and based on my whole life experience I cannot imagine worrying about Mormons. Maybe I just have lived in the wrong part of the country because to me they are a non factor.

[fabian]

We are supposed to see people in the moment and how they live and believe now. I believe he is sincere and you do not and need to exaggerate a bit and go back years to back up your judgement and so does Jim. Shame on you as that is what the left continually does to us...go by the past.

[Elsie]

...my point is people change to to hold it against Mitt is unchristian!

Oh; they can change all right; but CLAIMING to be a GOOD mormon BEFORE the 'change' makes me, at least, go "HMMMmmm..."

[Elsie]

You keyboard heroes are so clueless about what is going on down here in the trenches of grassroot conservatism, it is actually comical.

While...

...you keyboard geniuses are so well informed about what is going on down here in the trenches of grassroot conservatism, it is actually instructional.

[ansel12]

I explained that I’ve never known a RC converted to Mormonsim, but have seen plenty start attending the new evangelical christian denomination down the road. And that as a Roman Catholic I have more issue with the Protestant Reformation than with Mormonism.

Wow, you would rather a Catholic convert to the non-Christian religion of Mormonism than to become a non-Catholic Christian?

[Elsie]

Instead of preaching how another religion is evil, why not preach the benefits of yours?

Stop demonizing people.

Did you just post something about being CLUELESS???

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I'm STILL waiting for Jeff to comment about the following; perhaps YOU'D like to while we are waiting...

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Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

 

 

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses

, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

 

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

 

 

 

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

 

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

 

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

 

 

 

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

[greyfoxx39]

My issue is defeating Obama.

....and replacing him with his identical twin. You won't like living under the mormon yoke any better than under Obama's.

All-Mormon Supreme Court Spells Theocracy to Disgruntled Utahans

"You got a Supreme Court that's all Mormon, a Legislature that's practically all Mormon, an executive department headed up by a Mormon and a Republican Party that's all Mormon."

That may not be surprising for a state founded by a church theocracy and still 70% Mormon. But Leavitt's two February appointments broke a tradition that dates from 1926 of having at least one non-Mormon on the high bench. It was in 1926 that territorial judges who were elected by popular vote began to retire,

Now, from local to federal courts in Utah, members of one faith overwhelmingly rule the bench.