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Why? Why Aurora, Ft. Hood, Gabby Giffords, VA Tech...(Blech!)
Patch ^ | July 24, 2012 | Heather Borden Herve

Posted on 08/07/2012 2:30:45 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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This is like a Pacific Islander giving a lecture on airplanes and flight, yet has never actually seen one, much less flown on or piloted one. Doesn't she realize that the criminal did not have a "machine gun" but rather a semiautomatic rifle. Anyone here could have inflicted similar damage with a common as dirt .22LR Marlin with a tubular magazine or an old-fashioned Winchester lever action in any caliber. She did hint around at limiting ammo sales, which will be their next tactic, I'm sure.
1 posted on 08/07/2012 2:30:49 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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Another disingenuous appeal that we find “common ground” using “common sense” that then demands that we disarm ourselves, except for a few hunting rifles and handguns.

If the Second Amendment is about protecting our right to own muskets, then the First is about printing presses and the freedom to choose which Protestant denomination you want to join.


2 posted on 08/07/2012 2:38:16 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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The Second Amendment itself is the solution to all these mass killings. If the People were armed, and everyone KNEW that the People were armed, then none of the cowards who committed these acts WOULD HAVE DARED do what they did. Implement the Second Amendment fully by not INFRINGING (look it up) on the right to keep and bear arms, and the People will be secure at home and everywhere.


3 posted on 08/07/2012 2:45:11 PM PDT by caddie
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Notice this almost never happens in the South (especially Texas...Ft. Hood was an exception, the Muslim doctor knew troops couldn’t go armed on post) but rather up North and in places like California? There’s a reason for that. If he’d tried that crap in a theatre in Dallas/Fort Worth, San Antonio, Houston or El Paso, he’d have had time to get off maybe 5-6 shots before he died in a hail of bullets.


4 posted on 08/07/2012 2:50:06 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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but let's find some middle, rational ground.

Sounds like they're "asking" us to take a couple of steps backwards. I'm only interested in taking a few steps forward. There is no compromising with the leftists on this issue. There is no middle ground here. Not one step backwards. NEVER!

5 posted on 08/07/2012 2:51:50 PM PDT by RC one (this space intentionally left blank)
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She is also not very well acquainted with human nature. If she actually looks through history, senseless wholesale slaughter is pretty common. It actually seems to have decreased in recent years.


6 posted on 08/07/2012 2:53:05 PM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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“I don’t think they have a right to semi-automatic, quasi-machine guns that can shoot hundred bullets at a time.


7 posted on 08/07/2012 3:10:26 PM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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Why? Why does Aurora happen?
The length of your article shows you are over thinking this.
It happened because evil exists.


8 posted on 08/07/2012 3:14:26 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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(What does it say about us as a culture, that this kind of thing happens here? That it happens here more than it happens any other place in the world?)

WOW. This shows you really need to get out more.
I can give you a list of oh 12-15 Country’s that you should try living in for even 6 months. You would come screaming back here and be kissing the ground.


9 posted on 08/07/2012 3:17:00 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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Some nut in China killed seven people with a knife the other day. Let’s have a deep chin-pulling discussion about what this means for China as a country.


10 posted on 08/07/2012 3:23:18 PM PDT by Argus
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The common element that these mass shootings occur in “Gun-Free” zones should provide a clue to the clueless.

No matter what, you won’t be able to get rid of guns, of knives for that matter – so maybe we should get rid of the “Gun-Free” zones and let people defend themselves.

Or does that make too much sense?

11 posted on 08/07/2012 3:24:27 PM PDT by Voice of Reason1 (Absolute power corrupts absolutely Lord Acton 1887)
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Has that ever worked? Has anyone in the middle of a mass shooting massacre ever been stopped by a gun-wielding hero who wasn’t a police officer called to the scene?

Wasn't there a campus shooting where a couple students with guns held the shooter at bay until the police arrived? Or did they just tackle the guy? Help me out here. And for sure, Trolley Square was an OFF-DUTY police officer who cornered the shooter and kept him from killing more people until more police arrived.

12 posted on 08/07/2012 3:39:43 PM PDT by Hoffer Rand (There ARE two Americas: "God's children" and the tax payers)
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A culture that devalues virtue is guaranteed to turn into a hell on earth.

A republic rests upon the virtue of its citizens.

Beyond that, the Second Ammendment isn’t just about the right to bear arms. It is about the basic responsibility of self-defense. You have a responsibility to defend yourself and your family. The 2nd Ammendment just guarantees you the tools to do the job.


13 posted on 08/07/2012 3:44:58 PM PDT by marron
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Will it ever stop? Not at the rate we’re going. Why?

Why are over 9,000 blacks killed by other blacks each year? This number is over 70 times the number of all “mass shootings” each year combined. Why do we focus on “mass shootings” instead of the thousands of blacks cut down by other blacks?

What does it say about us as a culture, that this kind of thing happens here? That it happens here more than it happens any other place in the world?

We’re not at war at home. We’re not in a place where suicide bombings happen, and we’re not currently engaged in a religious or territorial war within our own borders.

Why does it happen here?

What does it say about us as a culture that it does happen here? What does it say about us as a culture that we ignore the real problem and instead focus on outlier events? Are we afraid to have a real conversation on intra-race murder epidemic?

What does it say about us as a culture that some people seek out fame, infamy or a perceived glory by singling out white on black murders while these are by far the exception?

What does it say about us as a culture that there are people who turn to pimping murder victims for profit and fame? And what does it say about us as a culture that they allowed to do that?

In our culture, we do have an ongoing verbal and political battle over the freedom and right to bear arms, and perhaps it needs to be reframed as a question of why illegal guns in the inner city Democratic ghettos are the chosen tools of the ongoing massacre of blacks. These areas have the strictest gun control laws in the nation, and the highest murder rates.

What is it about our culture that thinks gun control laws will stop bad people from having access to guns? Every shred of evidence we have indicates the more guns in circulation, the less crime. Why don’t we let law abiding citizens in our inner cities have the tools they need to defend themselves?

We, as a nation, have to have this conversation. On behalf of the 9,000 blacks killed each year by other blacks, we need to have this conversation.

Obviously, I’m impassioned and emotional about this, as we should be when thousands are killed in senseless gunfire. We should be saddened, we should be horrified, and we should be moved to have rational discussion about how to make this less likely to happen.

Will it ever stop? For sure, not at the rate we’re going. The number of blacks killing blacks has hit an all time high and continues to increase.

We need to ask, ‘Why?’

14 posted on 08/07/2012 4:18:11 PM PDT by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the White House)
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that can shoot hundred bullets at a time

Channeling an A-10. "Shoot to thrill".


15 posted on 08/07/2012 4:28:51 PM PDT by caveat emptor (Zippity Do Dah)
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Has that ever worked? Has anyone in the middle of a mass shooting massacre ever been stopped by a gun-wielding hero who wasn’t a police officer called to the scene?

Yes, it has. in the Texas Tower shootings. I quote from the Wiki article:

Approximately 20 minutes after he had first fired from the observation deck, Whitman began encountering return fire from the authorities and armed civilians who had converged with personal firearms to assist police... Ramiro Martinez, an officer who participated in stopping Whitman's rampage, later stated that the civilian shooters should be credited as they made it difficult for Whitman to take careful aim.

We've had the conversation. The answer is "no".

16 posted on 08/07/2012 4:38:35 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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No one can stop bad people from trying to shoot someone, but good people with guns can stop that person immediately.

Therefore, what we need is more guns in the hands of good people. Every Freeper needs a gun or two or three to stop these bad people. I’m a good Freeper because I have a gun or two or three. Do you? Prepare.


17 posted on 08/07/2012 4:50:26 PM PDT by Marcella (PREPARE)
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I tried to read it but, Heather’s an idiot. It’d be easier for me to try and chew my toenails...and I’m 6’3.


18 posted on 08/07/2012 5:09:58 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (OWS = The Great American Snivel War)
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In my reading of the 2d amendment it does not seem to be discussing a hunting type gun...It is empowering “We the People” to protect ourselves from an overbearing and rapacious government. A bolt action rifle can arguably a military weapon, but this 101st Veteran would appreciate something a little bit more effective at getting a lot more messages down range.
19 posted on 08/07/2012 5:46:58 PM PDT by coldflamingo (Old Paratrooper/Nam Vet/Retired SFC USArmy)
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In my reading of the 2d amendment it does not seem to be discussing a hunting type gun...It is empowering “We the People” to protect ourselves from an overbearing and rapacious government. A bolt action rifle can arguably a military weapon, but this 101st Veteran would appreciate something a little bit more effective at getting a lot more messages down range.
20 posted on 08/07/2012 5:46:58 PM PDT by coldflamingo (Old Paratrooper/Nam Vet/Retired SFC USArmy)
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