Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland
The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.
In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?
Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.
For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!
Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.
For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.
The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?
In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.
Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Except Trowbridge said Mom was related to Fred Newton Communist leader?
Except Trowbridge said Mom was related to Fred Newton Communist leader?
Is it Sarruf nee Newman? Thus meeting X’s inter religious inter racial criteria?
Yes. Valerie Newman, relative of (daughter of?) Communist mastermind Newman, had child by X, then married Sarruf, became Valerie Sarruf actress in London. Got work cos her father in law was famous actor Alexander D’Arcy (Sarruf).
Bamma must have been looked after by FMD. Got baby pic with Obama seniors son also in HI. Got shipped to Indonesia later.
Yes. Valerie Newman, relative of (daughter of?) Communist mastermind Newman, had child by X, then married Sarruf, became Valerie Sarruf actress in London. Got work cos her father in law was famous actor Alexander D’Arcy (Sarruf).
Bamma must have been looked after by FMD. Got baby pic with Obama seniors son also in HI. Got shipped to Indonesia later.
Joanne Newman was, I thought, a name Trowbridge was using to hide the ID of the mother.
This would conveniently make Zero a NBC.
What is the veracity of Trowbridge’s idea? Zero could easily have been influenced (and no doubt was) by Fred Newman’s toxic ideas whether related or not.
Or is “Tutonge” the link? Were they blood relatives of Sarruf?
Also, entry to school is an important time. Was Obama shipped to Indonesia when they had to decide how to school him?
That would also tie in with time X’s life was in danger and ended.
Do you think they know Obama is NBC, just don’t want the rest to be known?
Or did he really renounce citizenship?
If his mother was a foreigner, not a NBC; if born overseas with a foregner mother, for sure not a NBC. I don’t get this Joanne Newman” stuff.
Striking familial resemblance.
Um...No! I did not calculate a one-year gestation! My calculation is explicit (please re-read it) and the conception date I calculated was October 28, 1960.
As to the “au pair episode,” that is from the wildly unreliable “Dreams” narrative that was mostly written by Bill Ayers. In the “Dreams” narrative, Stanley Ann is supposedly in Chicago in the summer of 1959 before her senior year at Mercer, IIRC.
I find it curious that some proponents of the Mal-Val narrative denounce “Dreams” but persist in using “Dreams” when it can be woven into the Mal-Val narrative (sort of, but not really).
IOW, it wasn’t just happenstance that brought young Zero to Indonesia.
“While in Chicago, Stanley Ann went to see the “Black Orpheus”, which was not released until December of 1959. So, she was in Chicago during the summer of 1960.”
Do you have a source other than “Dreams” for these claims?
If not, you are relying on the totally unreliable “Dreams” narrative...which has Stanley Ann as Barry’s mom giving birth in HI on Aug. 4, 1961...nine months plus one week after October 28, 1960...(my calculation which appears to be correct).
Do you have a source for 1959? I believe that an entire paragraph describing an excursion to the movie as more reliable than a mistake of two digits. But of course, you are the one who thinks his bio saying he was born in Kenya was a completely honest mistake. You just seem to pick and choose whatever fits your fantasy, don’t you?
still waiting for your calculation for a birthdate of 04/08/61... (premies of more than one month usually didn’t make it back then)
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