Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland
The Mal-Val youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named Val into an image of Obama, he insinuates that Val is Obamas mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.
In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, Val, in Polariks Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obamas mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?
Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.
For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as researchers has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obamas mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!
Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.
For years the researchers had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barrys mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the researchers claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the researchers appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been protecting. They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.
The researchers claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldnt revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?
In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barrys mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the researchers have totally failed to refute.
Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obamas mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.
This whole thing is a ruse and you get all pissy when someone doesn't swallow it hook line and sinker.
You're a perfect example of put up or shut up.
You can't put up so you should shut up. You won't do that though. You'll be back with more of the same inane BS you've thrown at me so far instead of proving what you claim.
I don't care how long somebody has been here.
Back up what you say.
You're useless to me otherwise.
And you should let other people answer for themselves instead of acting like you know what they would say.
“If Obama is a year older than he now says, and his own web site originally admitted that fact, then he was likely born in 1960 and conceived in 1959.”
I wouldn't characterize a one-time typo or brain-f*rt by an underling setting up a webpage as either an admission or evidence of anything. Barry's birthdate of August 4, 1961 is found throughout his previous official bio and backed up by the FOIA INS docs as well as all of the previously discussed evidence in support of Stanley Ann as his mom in 1961.
“According to Martha Trowbridge, someone who looked like Valerie was present when Malcolm X was shot and also filmed at his funeral.”
An extremely weak hearsay claim, especially with no photo sufficient to perform computer facial recognition analysis, doesn't rise to the level of evidence of anything, especially five years after the latest conception date. Where was Valerie Sarruf when Malcolm was shot? That might be worth following up as a likely source of debunking evidence for that claim, but the shooting date or any date where Mal and Val were photographed together after 1960 would prove little.
Malcolm X later said that seeing Muslims of “all colors, from blue-eyed blonds to black-skinned Africans”, interacting as equals led him to see Islam as a means by which racial problems could be overcome.
But, according to Dr. Polland who put up the Mal-Val morphing video at the top of the thread, Valerie is a Lebanese Christian, NOT Muslim.
“Obama seems to have gone to Indonesia at a very young age, quite when he went there and where he was before seems a mystery.”
Barry is proved to have been on Stanley Ann's passport in 1967, IIRC, by having been struck off it under the names BHO and Soebarkah. There is no evidence that Barry was ever on Valerie Sarruf’s passport or anywhere near her at any time that I have seen. Big difference!
But thanks, again, for your contribution to the thread.
FIRELIGHT. Filmed in the US in 1996 iirc. She had a very small part, she’s the waitress wearing a bonnet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGUVSgX8Q1k&feature=related
Besides, I have no proof where Fred is other than his claim...
That's too bad, I do.
Good for you. Care to share that proof? Nah, I didn't think so.
Have you been to Australia to meet him...
It's obvious that you haven't, based on these ignorant comments of yours.
I'll take that as a no.
lol, why would you want to know?
I'm the curious sort. Why are you so reticent to answer my question?
What State are you from...how hard of a question to answer is that?
You seem to be out of the loop on all sorts of information.
Ah, perceptions. They're amazing things. Yours seems off.
Good catch, little jeremiah, revealing multilayered significance in contextualizing verification:Of course there are truths amongst the lies...you just have to learn how to see beyond the lies. The biggest and best lie is the one that tries to tell us that the little boy on the left is someone named 'David' -
But you and I and a few thousand others...know who the two little boys really are, and why, after years of looking, no one can find 'David' - BECAUSE HE'S ZERO!
In Kurt Vonnegut's Cat's Cradle he disputes the hypnosis of the child's game, the visual is nothing like the script.
From the same novel:
nice, nice, very nice
so many people in the same deviceReality does not comport to the script of Cora Weiss, Bill Ayers, David Maraniss et al.
Here's the church, here's the steeple,
Open the doors and see all Obama's girlfriendsOh, that's right:
He said it's a work of fiction--out of respect for the girlfriends
The Avengers: Season 2, Episode 13
“Death Dispatch”
Filming begins: 22-Jun-62
Filming completed: 23-Jun-62
Released London: 22-Dec-62
http://www.dissolute.com.au/avweb/season2/213.html
This was the 4th episode shot for season 2. Most were shot within a month of broadcast. It was the first episode filmed with Honor Blackman as Cathy Gale.
http://www.dissolute.com.au/avweb/season2/index.html
The Sunday Night Playhouse would have been on a much tighter schedule because they broadcast every week of the year.
Hmmmm.....
Getting his birthdate wrong more than one time (off the top of my head I can think of four times, aside from the FB page), and on his FB page, is a mere "brain fart".
Saying he was born in Kenya on a literary promotional page for 16 years - mere oversight by editor.
No photos of SAD with baby until Zero was at least 2 1/2 - the family wasn't the photographing kind. Despite the fact that several photos of SAD and baby Maya have turned up. No, they weren't the photographing kind...
No evidence SAD was in HI until 1963 - "Oh yes there is" even though provenance and authenticity is so dubious as to be useless.
"SAD was too in Seattle" - a forged transcript and a few changing stories from "old friends" who just happen to be 0bama for President supporters.
Pi** poor track record, I'd say.
Feet of lead and wings of tin
Around and around and around we spin.
Or something like that.
“Saying he was born in Kenya on a literary promotional page for 16 years - mere oversight by editor.”
The birth date is a separate matter from where Barry was born, but alternative narratives must coherently account for both date and place, or try to narrow down the range of both date and place.
Barry, himself, has only hearsay knowledge of where and when he was born and to whom absent an authentic BC, so what Barry has said about his date and place of birth must be backed up by secondary sources.
As you point out, for 16 or so years he had a very public birth narrative associated with his books of having been born in Kenya. There is no comparable consistent alternative birth date given by Barry or his agents that I have seen. Making note of those specific alternative ages and birth years should be done because it might reveal possible motives for having done so.
Notable just for the bit part or the plot?
He had six daughters with Betty X.
As time goes on and nothing is announced I'm not the one who is going to look the fool.
See you in a couple of months. (unless by some miracle this "research" is released early) One of us is going to "dine on crow".
I'll eat mine, if necessary. Will you eat yours?
So who, in your opinion, is the Mother and Father of the man holding the office of POTUS?
Sorry, I still only see conjecture based upon supposition.
You know, I got some very interesting returns under these keywords...brown deer Valerie Sarruf
It's like you took plenipotentiary's thread as a guide and simply ran with it only in a different direction.
And yet we now can fill in the blank with Valerie Sarruf?
Still nothing but conjecture as far as I can tell.
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