Re:"Mal and Val - not Ann and the Old Man" Any evidence Valerie Sarruf is Obama's mom? (vanity)

"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland

The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.

In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.

Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?

Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.

For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!

Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.

For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.

The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?

In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.

Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.

Adding this:

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-250_162-4101069.html

“Thummalapally lived with Obama the summer of 1980. The two ran together daily, three miles in the early morning, often chatting about their dreams. Thummalapally wanted to start a business back home; Obama talked about helping people.”

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/List_of_Barack_Obama%27s_friends_and_associates

“Vinai Thummalapally an Obama college roommate in the summer of 1980. Thummalapally is from Hyderabad, India. Obama visited Hyderabad, India and Karachi, Pakistan during a three week period with Wahid Hamid after his graduation from Occidental. [2] He is president of a CD and DVD manufacturing company in Colorado Springs, Colorado. “

Other interesting events around 1980.

http://yeswecanimpeachobamanow.wordpress.com/2008/11/16/life-and-times-of-obama-time-line-1961-2008/

From above:

Obama’s freshman year roommate at Occidental is Imad Husain, a Pakistani. [332]

While at Occidental, Obama joins the Students for Economic Democracy (SED), which is a branch of the Campaign for Economic Democracy (CED), a group that was founded by radical, anti-American, Marxist activist Tom Hayden (former husband of actress Jane Fonda), who was also active with the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS).

Obama may have made a 1980 trip to Kenya to visit his father. During that trip, he may also have visited Pakistan, and Indonesia (to visit his mother). It is possible, however, that the reports of a 1980 trip are mistaken, and Obama’s only such trip was in 1981. [194,195,196]

During his college years, Obama maintains contact with his father through correspondence, until his death in 1982. [271]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2008/03/22/when-barry-became-barack.html

“The way his half sister, Maya, remembers it, Obama returned home at Christmas in 1980, and there he told his mother and grandparents: no more Barry. “

“Barry Obama met Eric Moore fresh on arrival from Hawaii at Occidental College in Los Angeles. The two roamed in the same circles, gravitating toward friends who considered themselves “progressive,” including many with international backgrounds. Moore came from the mostly white college town of Boulder, Colo.
...
Their kinship was strengthened in conversations like the one they had about a trip Moore took during the summer of 1980. He visited Kenya—the homeland of Obama’s father and other relatives—as part of a program that sent teens abroad to do volunteer work. Moore told Obama about his experiences, and explained how the trip was one of the most powerful events of his life.”

Note - Moore’s trip to Kenya may be why there is confusion about Obama going to Kenya in 1980. (Assuming this all on the up and up.)

“But when she went around the room asking each student how he or she would like to be called, Obama answered “Barry.””

Other interesting dates and links of 1980:

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jan/29/local/me-oxy29

“But the Illinois Democrat began his undergraduate education at Occidental, and the 1,825-student liberal arts college in the Eagle Rock neighborhood of Los Angeles isn’t shy about claiming him as an alumnus for his two years there (1979-81) on full scholarship. “

“...ON FULL SCHOLARSHIP.” (Choom gang member with average to low grades gets a FULL scholarship to a liberal arts school?? For what reason?)

June 15, 1980 - Stanley Ann Soetoro signs divorce papers from Lolo Soetoro.
November 1980 - Divorce is final.

http://drorly.blogspot.com/2009/01/proof-obama-went-by-barry-soetoro-at.html

Above makes a case that he was Barry SOETORO at Oxy.

From the Daily Beast article Barry/Barack when to Hawaii during Christmas of 1980. So it would appear he did travel to Hawaii between semesters or during a holiday break. Would a college kid, even one on full scholarship, have money to travel back to Hawaii twice in one year? Maybe, but seems like a burden financially.

And finally...

December 3, 1980 - Ayers and Dorhn turn themselves in.

55 posted on Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:15:08 PM by bluecat6 (”All non-denial denials. They doubt our ancestry, but they don’t say the story isn’t accurate. “)

Cross posting:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3029745/posts?page=113#113

Incoming!!!

Chief Kessler appears to have gone rogue and violated his confidentiality agreement with Zullo and disclosed some pretty shocking claimed finding by Zullo and Arpaio (take with grain of salt). Perhaps he was PO’d that the CCP called up his radio program today and told hi they weren’t backing his armed LEO march on DC?

https://www.facebook.com/chiefkessler

Chief Mark Kessler

about an hour ago.

“here’s what I was told, VIA cold case possie , 1) bozo isn’t American nor was he born in Hawaii, 2) they believe he’s Saudi , 3) their not his real parents, 4) Russia is involved, 5) it wasn’t an accident he’s president, 6) bill ayers and the weather underground are involved, 7) Kenya played a roll, Hawaii state officials did the birth certificate, he has several other names , not just the ones the public knows about, 9) he don’t exsist in the usa until the age of 5.....10) WERE ALL F*CKED”

113 posted on Tuesday, June 11, 2013 12:02:32 AM by Seizethecarp

I’ll take the ‘Lebanese mother and african-american radical’ as parents thank you. Probably born in some out of the way place in Canada in 1961, handed over to a Nanny when he was three weeks old. Nanny showed him to Susan, told her a bunch of lies and took little Bari to stay with his auntie in Boston.
Mother flies back to her acting career in London, no one in Egypt or Lebanon knows about her relationship with a coloured muslim and all’s well that ends well for the President of The American University of Beirut.
Such a scandal, averted.

And when Anna decided to take the advice of her parents to give up her child and go to Indonesia to stay with relatives, her boy, whose father was the kenyan, ended up at Auntie Ella’s as well. That’s really the only way it makes sense, when we hear that the kneyan told his associates that he visited his son several times while he was at Harvard.

That’s the story behind the two little boys.

And it all starts out with Stanley Ann Dunham NOT being the mother.

I think Seize is on the right track, there’s really no other explanation that makes any sense.

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