Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland
The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.
In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?
Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.
For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!
Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.
For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.
The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?
In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.
Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.
You’re assuming that the mythological family in “Dreams” is real, for one thing. For another thing, if the mythological family in “Dreams” was real, it would have been simple to claim a birth at a friend’s house who did not exist, or who moved to the mainland or died later or was said to have died. You’re clutching at straws.
The point is that since a “fake but real” b.c. was easily obtained in HI, there was no need for the 0 team to make a recent forgery unless EVERYTHING on the b.c. is a lie.
LOL!!! But you forgot the pearl necklace!
David said only one document “looked” forged giving not in bit of actual evidence that could be supported for a document that is cross-corroborated by multiple other transcripts.
I am invested in finding out Barry's nativity truth to the greatest extent possible using well-established forensic and analytical methods. You have not provided any verifiable or even potentially verifiable evidence of an alternative mommy and/or daddy for Barry or any credible alternative narrative for the events surrounding his birth.
“And you think Maraniss is ‘an historian’!”
When I make a mistake or put a mistaken impression in FR comments I will retract it and I hearby retract my statement that Maraniss was an historian. After watching his painstakingly meticulous methodology on display in the 2.5 hour CSPAN BookTV showing him in Kansas, Hawaii and Kenya, I incorrectly assumed, bolstered by his Pulitzer Prize for his Clinton book, that he was a sincere historical biographer, a type of historian.
After reading his editorial in the WaPo abusing eligibility activists and calling us racists and also looking at the obviously photo-shopped picture of Barry and his alleged white girlfriend that he allowed into the book, I have returned his book for a refund in disgust.
I still regard lots if information in his book, the parts that are verifiable by others, to be claims that appear to be authentic, including his information from Ruth Ndesandjo and the birth-dates for David and Mark. None of Ruth's information has been refuted with any evidence that I have seen.
Fake "evidence" (people saying things, people that have a vested interest in mythology) that has not been refuted is not "evidence". You conveniently ignore the fact that many people have a vested interest in hiding 0kaka's background and have been actively doing so for many years. Oh, and what is this "us"?
After reading his editorial in the WaPo abusing eligibility activists and calling us racists...
I don't want to be mean but you thought someone who got a Pulitzer Prize for a fawning book about Clinton was therefore trustworthy? You really think people on FR are fools.
You're making my point for me. Since a "fake but real" b.c. was easily obtained in HI, why would Grandma Toot bother with a story about a friend who didn't exist or who moved to the mainland or died later?
Just say the baby was born at home. The Hawaii bureaucrats weren't giving anyone a hard time or asking a lot of questions.
Who is that in the picture on the left? Looks like BO in a wig. If that’s that Valerie woman then OMG—he doesn’t look as much like Stanley Ann anymore. He does have Stanley Ann’s same face shape though.
Really you did no such thing--your response was to call me a liar which is just fine, you are certainly welcome to do that.
Facts are, as I told you, I was sitting there writing you with a handful of actual 1961 original entry transcripts from the U of W lying on my desk next to my monitor; I had and have first hand knowledge of the security entry system which was designed to keep students from modifying academic records in any way which required use of the form actually in place in 1961. The form the U furnished Corsi had two binder pin holes; the actual form had 21; the actual form was designed not to be removed but to be completed in handwriting and delivered in the form of a photocopy of the original document on which the U stamped a certification where a certified transcript was required; the actual original was three column, not two; etc. There really isn't any doubt that the form they furnished Corsi is fraudulent.
Matter of fact I sent Corsi a sample of the true form and I believe he has shown it to one or two other people.
I am not going to post a copy here at the moment because although I redacted the forms I sent Jerry, there is enough information on them that a determined person with access to all the records could reconstruct who the student was and I am not interested in making that information available at the moment.
In the real world of controversy, if you are going to say I contested something--you say well here is a sample of the form; here is the provenance of that form demonstrating that the Stanley exhibit is in fact the real thing.
It's fine to call me a liar but I delivered a real sample and enough people here on the board know me that I can afford not to be concerned whether you believe me or not; nor frankly, am I very concerned about having you call me names.
I do think you ought to lay off the nasty antagonistic emotional attack on Fred--Fred does a lot of work; it's very effective; Fred has uncovered a number of the gaps in zero's story and has found a number of facts that suggest what really happened. For the most part, I think people here on the board really appreciate Fred's efforts.
I intend to provide a more comprehensive response to some of your comments when time permits.
You are still in black/white mode, I see.
You continue to provide no evidence that can be verified in support of an alternative set of parents or parent for Barry.
Maraniss’ Clinton book was not fawning nor is his Barry book. His Barry book is so damaging to Barry that Obots are refusing to buy it. The book destroys huge swathes of Barry's “Dreams” narrative showing that book and Barry's entire 2008 election narrative to be fantasy designed to fool voters into thinking he was not really a white guy in a black skin pretending to be from the hood. The book has been devastating for both Maraniss and for Barry's cred with his own peeps.
FAKE BIRTH CERTIFICATE!
can you explain that ?
I see why you don't send me copies of stuff like this--that is just out and out not so. I told you then as I tell you again above--I have possession of actual 1961 transcripts including at least one certified; I also have first hand knowledge of how they were prepared, maintained, and authenticated and of the University's system for assuring validity.
On the face of it, the transcript the U furnished Corsi is fraudulent for the reasons specified.
Link please.
I do not believe I did any such thing. IIRC, you were confused about what document you were looking at, which was partially computer generated (most likely in the late 1970’s) and you failed to note the hand-typed U of HI graduate degrees recorded in the lower right-hand corner.
You, also have failed to provide evidence of a coherent alternative narrative with alternative parents for Barry that I have seen.
Do you claim that the FOIA INS docs are forged and the U of HI registrar and U of WA current databases are tampered with, all of which have produced numerous FOIA confirmations that Stanley Ann was at both institutions and in each other’s institutions, and tie to the INS docs, IIRC?
I never said that you didn't. Maybe that's what you meant when you claimed I called you a liar, which I did not. What I said was that the document in question was NOT a 1961 transcript, but a late 1970’s transcript which was partially computer generated beyond 1961 and with notations in the lower left typed in to record SADOS’s graduate degrees in HI in the late 1960’s and early 1970’s... all on the U of WA transcript.
So this was not a 1961 era transcript.
Maraniss was just trying to take both sides so as to garner street cred for the part of his narrative that supports 0kaka’s myth.
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