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To: MD Expat in PA
If you are an MD, trained in the U.S., you would know that newborns leave the hospital in the arms of their **mothers** who are seated in a wheelchair and accompanied by a maternity unit staff member. Name bands are carefully checked by the nursing staff and security as the leave the maternity unit. Possibly there are exceptions to this but I would bet my entire 401 K that they are very few.

Also....Unless it would be an emergency delivery of some kind, parents are well informed of the visiting and discharge policies of the maternity unit. If they don't agree to this there are other options for mothers with uncomplicated pregnancies and deliveries.

By the way, the name “Kennedy” is not uncommon. I wouldn't know Douglas Kennedy if he dropped dead at my feet. Why are we assuming that these nurses knew who he was and why should it matter that he is from a notorious family?

Honestly, nurses have enough to do medically and surgically with their patients without thinking about every legal aspect of whether or not a baby can leave the hospital without his mother, or judge each case individually. They can't possibly know every aspect of their patient’s lives (posing fraudulently as a member of the family, custody issues, pending divorces, spousal abuse, etc.). That is why hospitals have these very sensible safety protocols for nurses to follow.

Sensible and emotionally mature people understand these issues and don't hassle the nurses about trivialities such as taking a baby for a stroll outside.

As trivial as this little walk outside was it could have managed successfully with a polite, “May I speak to the nursing supervisor”, or “May I have the number of the public relations department.”

Kicking a nurse in the pelvis while carrying a newborn? Unbelievable! This is not rational behavior. For what? A walk outside?

189 posted on 02/26/2012 4:35:39 PM PST by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: wintertime

“.........Sensible and emotionally mature people ....”

Now this is a Kennedy we are talking about!


191 posted on 02/26/2012 4:45:30 PM PST by Reily
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To: wintertime
I am not an MD nor have I ever claimed to be one. The MD in my screen name standing for Maryland as in someone from Maryland now living in PA (Pennsylvania).

Honestly, nurses have enough to do medically and surgically with their patients without thinking about every legal aspect of whether or not a baby can leave the hospital without his mother, or judge each case individually. They can't possibly know every aspect of their patient’s lives (posing fraudulently as a member of the family, custody issues, pending divorces, spousal abuse, etc.). That is why hospitals have these very sensible safety protocols for nurses to follow.

As trivial as this little walk outside was it could have managed successfully with a polite, “May I speak to the nursing supervisor”, or “May I have the number of the public relations department.”

First you are presuming that he didn’t request to speak to a supervisor or that the nurses in the incident even gave him a chance to do so. There was in this case, no question that he was the father of the baby or that he was trying to abduct the baby from his wife. It would seem rather obvious that he was cleared and to be in observed in the ward. His wife stands behind him and in saying that the nurses were the aggressors and he was doing nothing wrong. What you are suggesting in that nurses can’t be bothered with “thinking” is nothing different than other ridiculous “zero tolerance” policies such as those where a teacher has a child arrested and a parent put in jail because a kid in kindergarten draws a picture of a gun. Yea, I know; rules are rules; they are after all for our own good and for the children.

Sensible and emotionally mature people understand these issues and don't hassle the nurses about trivialities such as taking a baby for a stroll outside.

And that could also be reasoned to the other side of the argument to say that sensible and emotionally mature people understand that you don’t hassle a dad about trivialities such as taking his baby for a harmless stroll outside

Kicking a nurse in the pelvis while carrying a newborn? Unbelievable! This is not rational behavior. For what? A walk outside?

So what about lunging at a dad with his newborn son in his arms? The nurse claims the baby’s head was bouncing around but the video doesn’t exactly support that claim from what I saw. I could understand if this was a first time dad but he and his wife have three other children so I tend to think he knew how to hold a baby. I can’t say that while holding a new born that anyone coming at me in an aggressive manner wouldn’t be considered a threat that I would respond to in kind.

Again, I’m not defending his actions as I don’t know all the facts. But neither am automatically I willing to accept the nurses side of the story.

200 posted on 02/26/2012 5:09:11 PM PST by MD Expat in PA
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