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To: madmominct
Among his claims were that Hobbes was the father of Conservatism - who was an elistist who felt that people should be ruled by a strong government and allowed to participate as little as possible. He also claimed that Reagan was the first president to take money out of social security.

Hobbes was a monarchist which hardly makes him a conservative.

There was never any money to take out of Social Security by design so the question is a non-sequitur.

10 posted on 08/23/2011 5:05:37 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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The “Leviathan” was hardly a conservative concept, however, listening to progressives bash the Tea Party and their assumption of some power by democratic means, one might argue that the left is Hobbesian.


33 posted on 08/23/2011 6:56:10 PM PDT by JimSEA (The future ain't what it used to be.)
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