Posted on 04/24/2011 12:28:36 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Ever want to reach through your TV screen and grab somebody and scream at him? When Michele Bachmann admitted that the document George Stephanopoulos was showing her was the President’s birth certificate, and then said that the President should just release it, I wanted to throttle George. The proper response was “He did, three years ago.”
Donald Trump’s grandstanding about the birther issue has forced mainstream Republicans to face the conspiracy theory or be branded idiots like Trump. With two-thirds of their base believing that the President was not born in Hawaii, and even fewer understanding that it really doesn’t matter where he was born because his mother was an American who never gave up her citizenship or entered another country as an immigrant, they are stuck between playing to their base or playing to the greater population of the nation. Poor babies. This is what you get for thinking you can control the lunacy instead of just riding it to the polls for one election.
What Trump has exposed is the stupidity of the birther argument. Trump made a big show of releasing his “long form” birth certificate – the one that the hospital sent to the Department of Health – only to be told that it is not a legal document. He then had to produce the New York State “certificate of live birth” – the very document that the birthers claim is not proof of President Obama’s birth. He challenged the newspaper reports of the President’s birth, claiming first that his parents were too poor to place notices in the newspapers, then claiming that the President’s maternal grandparents placed the notices. He was confronted by the fact that the newspaper notices state that the information had been provided by the Hawaii Health Department and were not paid announcements. Then he claimed no one remembered the President as a child or remembered his parents in Hawaii. Sorry – Gov. Neil Abercrombie knew them at school and there are plenty of photos of the President when he was in school. Then he quoted the truncated phone call where the translator was cut off trying to correct the mistaken impression that the President’s step-grandmother had said he was born in Kenya. The full phone call was played on loads of television shows.
Donald Trump has forced the mainstream media and even Fox News in the person of Bill O’Reilly to confront the lie bit by bit, layer by layer and refute it. He has done more to discredit the Orly Taitz crowd than anyone else has done in the past three years. The President took the attitude that all he had to do was release his certificate of live birth and just ignore the situation. Donald Trump, in insisting that the President was not born in Kenya, has finally forced the media to do what they should have done all along – stand up with the facts.
Each time a journalist or commentator confronts a Republican candidate or politician on this issue, they are helping to sort the wheat from the chaff. Only those candidates who are willing to stand up to the lies will advance to the next level. No Republican can win with just the base vote. They need to get the votes of the people who don’t believe the lies. Being wishwashy or hedging their bets with “I’ll take him at his word” just aren’t cutting it. Unless a journalist or interviewer doesn’t follow through the way Stephanopoulos didn’t.
These are the days when I miss Mike Wallace and Edward R. Murrow. They knew how to go in for the final word. They knew that the follow-up is often more important than the original question. Too many of today’s journalists just fell into the field with no training and even less vocation.
Silence, intimidate, bully, shame
could not find the page.. go figure, too many lies to hold it in place?
= Someone (a democrat) please tell me what to think.
thanks, i think... lol... do they even engage their brains before writing this dribble or do they just write to feel important...???
...or drivel, even.
Regards,
born June 14, 1946 in Queens, New York, NY (Meets the Jus Soli Requirement)
Parents were
Frederick Christ Trump, born October 11, 1905 in Queens, NY, died June 1999 in Queens, NY
Mary Ann MacLeod, born May 10, 1912 in SCOTLAND, died August 7, 2000 in Queens, NY. Arrived in US October 5, 1935. Naturalized as a US Citizen March 10, 1942.
Both parents were US Citizens at the time of his birth (Meets the Jus Sanguinis Requirement)
Donald Trump is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN unlike Comrade Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama.
I’ve noticed that the media and the left is using the Bachmann/Stephanopolous tangle as some sort of proof. I’ve read this in several wire stories as part of evidence (i.e. Bachmann saw it and is now convinced).
What did she say?
It's never been a big deal to prevent releasing documents in the past.. except maybe for FDR's severe medical problems and BJ Clinton's STD's.
All we are saying♩♪♫
is give release a chance♩♪♫
L. S. Carbonell, Does YOUR birth certificate look like Barry’s?
Didn't the exact opposite happen??
OK Carbonell, I'll give you that one, however, you then must give me this one.....
When Michele Bachmann admitted that the document George Stephanopoulos was showing her was the President’s birth certificate, I wanted to throttle Michele.
The proper response was "According to that birth certificate Barry IS NOT a natural born citizen and is therefore ineligible to serve as POTUS.
It has taken the media 3 years to finally address the growing cacophony regarding a valid birth certificate. Now that they are addressing it they are once again framing the debate making it about WHERE he was born instead of WHO was his daddy.
IF bHo, Sr was indeed his daddy, he is NOT a natural born citizen as required by Article II, Section I of the COTUS.
Yes, as a matter of fact it did. The commies make up their own reality. Soon, it will be common knowledge that it happened just as they say it did.
Lying liars and the lies they tell.
“...certificate of live birth’ – the very document that the birthers claim is not proof of President Obama’s birth..”
Problem is, Obama didn’t present a “certificate of live birth,” he presented a “certifiCATION of live birth.” Not the same document at all.
Trump’s and others’ certificates have information about the place of birth, the hospital, the doctor. And LOTS of information about the parents. Obama’s has none of that.
The problem is that Bachmann didn't _admit_ that the “release” of the COLB _was legal proof_ (past tense) but only that it _would_ (future conditional) be proof if, and only if, Obama _produced_ it. “Produce” is a legal term of art meaning present as evidence in a legal proceeding. Obama has never “produced” his COLB in court.
Tax lawyer Bachmann is being very legally careful here and IMO only acting as a witness should under cross-examination. The COLB _would_ be a document that is self-authenticating under the Federal Rules of Evidence, but if it were introduced it could be challenged under those rules. Bachmann stated the legal truth when boxed in by Stephie.
IMO, Bachmann was daring Obama to enter the COLB into evidence where the "best evidence" rule could well convince a judge to order discovery of the long form.
“idiots like Trump.”
Here it comes, the Palinization of Trump. Luckily we already know enough about him to see that he is anything but an idiot.
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