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To: Christian Engineer Mass

Uh... his citizenship IS the issue. There are two kinds of citizens: Natural born, and naturalized. The former is a citizen by virtue of their birth and the latter is granted citizenship later in life. If Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961 he’s a natural born citizen, according to 8 USC 1401.

If he was born in Kenya instead... it gets a bit murkier and there might be a problem. There’s no real evidence that he was born in Kenya, aside from some wishful beliefs by some Kenyans that it was so. And to me it seems logistically very unlikely that a ~very~ pregnant Stanley Ann Dunham managed to travel to Kenya in 1961 only to have the baby and return... why? It’s not like travel to Africa back then was as easy as it is now. Travelling to Africa in those days was likely a week-long journey of various planes, trains and automobiles. You didn’t just board a jet in Honolulu for a direct flight to Nairobi. It just doesn’t make sense to me.

It would be great fun if Obama wasn’t eligible. Actually... it would make for a pretty nasty constitutional crisis. But so far, from what I’ve seen... I don’t think that’s how it shakes out. I saw the governor of Hawaii declare that Obama was born in Hawaii. Well, I may have a birth certificate but I ~don’t~ have a personal statement from a sitting governor attesting to my birth. Congress has certified the election. It’s ~decided~, barring some good evidence to the contrary, and that just doesn’t seem to be forthcoming.

The only thing to do now is get that little bastard out of there in 2012.


23 posted on 04/07/2011 8:31:31 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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I didn’t listen to Rush until George W. Bush was president, but I know he went after Clinton on scandals. He still talks about the Lewinsky affair often, but not the BC.


32 posted on 04/07/2011 8:36:51 PM PDT by Politics4US
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To: Ramius
There are two kinds of citizens

Three. An "anchor baby" is not eligible to be president.

47 posted on 04/07/2011 9:00:14 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month)
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To: Ramius
Uh... his citizenship IS the issue. There are two kinds of citizens: Natural born, and naturalized. The former is a citizen by virtue of their birth and the latter is granted citizenship later in life. If Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961 he’s a natural born citizen, according to 8 USC 1401.

The definition of natural born citizen per the intent of the US Constitution is the issue, it appears there was a higher standard implied.
61 posted on 04/07/2011 9:33:57 PM PDT by RushingWater
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To: Ramius

“Well, I may have a birth certificate but I ~don’t~ have a personal statement from a sitting governor attesting to my birth.”

No, but if the stakes were as big as this is I bet you could get a fellow-traveling governor to attest to having delivered you.


64 posted on 04/07/2011 9:48:17 PM PDT by Magic Fingers
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To: Ramius
If Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961 he’s a natural born citizen, according to 8 USC 1401.
No, he's not!
You do realize that Title 8 governs ALIENS AND NATIONALITY, don't you? (the premier word being "ALIEN")
CHAPTER 12—IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY
SUBCHAPTER III—NATIONALITY AND NATURALIZATION
Part I—Nationality at Birth and Collective Naturalization
§ 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

Where in 1401 is there anything whatsoever that discusses natural born citizen?

Now, there is...§ 1405 - Persons born in Hawaii
A person born in Hawaii on or after August 12, 1898, and before April 30, 1900, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900. A person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, is a citizen of the United States at birth. A person who was a citizen of the Republic of Hawaii on August 12, 1898, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900.

Since, however, it doesn't apply...

Why the need to lie?

69 posted on 04/07/2011 10:25:49 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Ramius

Were you born yesterday? Have you not read any of the hundreds of threads and discussions at FR about what natural born means?


92 posted on 04/08/2011 3:19:01 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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