[Repeal The 17th]

“...Would you agree to a proposal from California that all illegal immigrants in that state should be counted by the census for the purpose of determining Congressional delegations?...”
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I hate to have to be the one to break the news to you, but...
that is; and always has been the case.

The census enumerates “residents” not “citizens”.
Illegal immigrants are counted in the census.
Even prisoners in the state penitentiary are counted.

Hence the problem with how to enumerate slaves...as 1;
or as 0; or shall we compromise on 3/5ths...
(I wonder where the 3/5ths came from...why not 3/4 or 1/2?)

[Idabilly]

One oddity about these threads and discussing Lincoln (and his war in general,) is the total and complete disregard for historical facts. Like so much in these modern times of political correctness, facts have also has fallen to the shouted lie and the emotional response. Fact is, they knew Secession was lawful, and Lincoln (like any Two Bit lawyer,) twisted and tortured definitions until the only thing left was confusion. Here is what took place: Lincoln had readers block when it came to several words (enumerate, delegate, agent, and State) He did not, however, have such a block with words more to his liking (ultimate, force, torch, usurp, and persons like Joshua Speed.) Here is a vote from Mar. 2, 1861

“Under this Constitution, as originally adopted and as it now exists, no State has power to withdraw from the jurisdiction of the United States; and this Constitution, and all laws passed in pursuance of its delegated powers, are the supreme law of the land, anything contained in any constitution, ordinance, or act of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.”

28 nays to 18 yeas

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsj&fileName=052/llsj052.db&recNum=378&itemLink=D?hlaw:3:./temp/~ammem_iHF8::%230520379&linkText=1

[ExGeeEye]

Like most compromises involving numbers, it probably started with a high number on one side (the south giving in on 10/10 and demanding 9/10, and the north giving in on nada and offering 1/10), it gets all the way to 7/10 on the southron side and 1/2 on the northern, and then split the difference.

I don't know, of course, but that makes sense to me.