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To: Cheburashka; trumandogz
South Carolina’s ordinance of secession had a flaw: it told the truth

I believe you're confusing the Declaration of Causes with the actual Ordinances of Secession.

Slavery, Slavery, Slavery! Of course in the cold light of the morning after other states realized that telling the truth was, shall we say, messy and embarrassing. So they tried to avoid being honest. But too late, the truth was out. Messed everything up, too.

No, that four Confederate states did not secede due to slavery is simply fact. I understand that fact doesn't fit your narrative, but it doesn't change the fact.

As for the northern degrading itself, how?

By choosing to violate the Constitution.

The northern states weren’t engaging in slavery.

A little more study will enlighten you to the fact that this isn't a true statement. There were still slaves held in some Northern states.

78 posted on 12/20/2010 8:59:49 PM PST by southernsunshine
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To: southernsunshine
I believe you're confusing the Declaration of Causes with the actual Ordinances of Secession.

Those were the secessionists’ own words. They justify why they passed the Ordinance. They were passed at the same time. Not including them is sort of like throwing away all the paragraphs of the Declaration of Independence except for the last one. Who in their right mind would do that? And what is it that Confederate sympathizers are trying to hide when they engage in such editing? What are they ashamed of? I read the whole thing and I know.


No, that four Confederate states did not secede due to slavery is simply fact. I understand that fact doesn't fit your narrative, but it doesn't change the fact.

They seceded to defend the states that seceded over slavery, so they they seceded to defend slavery as well. No first wave of secession, no second wave of secession.

As for the for the slave states that didn't secede, you are as aware as I am that those weren't the states that the South Carolina secessionists were complaining about.

You and I know both know the institution of slavery is intrinsically evil. So the northern states could not degrade themselves by declining to support it by returning escaped slaves. The southern states degraded themselves by demanding the return.

Or are you willing to argue that the southern states did not degrade themselves by the institution of slavery, that slavery is not intrinsically evil? If so, good luck with that.

83 posted on 12/20/2010 10:21:06 PM PST by Cheburashka (Democratic Underground - the Hogwarts of Stupid.)
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To: southernsunshine
Did the four states of the CSA that were opposed to slavery object to this part of the CSA Constitution?

“No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed [by Congress]”

84 posted on 12/20/2010 10:50:42 PM PST by trumandogz
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