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To: central_va

California’s going to have to go bankrupt and shed its union benefits liabilities before anything gets better.

I’m all for federalism, but the structure of government has to change to accmoodate new realities. I guess i’m a Burkean conservative in that respect - change is inevitable, and it should be done as cautiously, slowly and unwillingly as possible, with an eye towards keeping what’s best of existing traditions.

As to the central government point - this is a question as to which much ink has been spilled. I don’t think the constitution contemplated secession. I’m sure I don’t have the exact understanding of “the founders” - but given that the founders were riven between federalists and anti-federalists, i’m not sure what understanding you are referring to. For example, looking at what had happened elsewhere, the founding fathers realized the political problems posed by a standing army outside of wartime. The constitutional requirement to re-appropriate funds every two years was initially thought of as a stumbling block for us turning into something like Napoleonic France. I can’t imagine us winning the cold war if we were to have disbanded our standing army ~23 times between 1946 and 1992.


33 posted on 12/20/2010 4:58:21 PM PST by socalgop
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To: socalgop
I’m all for federalism, but the structure of government has to change to accmoodate[sic] new realities.

The human condition has not changed. Don't confuse a change in technology with a huge change in human psycho-development. The more things change the more they stay the same. To think differently is the statist's snare.

History has shown again and again that a republic is the strongest form of government there is. Why? because it's citizens have more to lose in a war. The CSA started from scratch and formed an Army of 200,000 in 5 weeks. Not bad for a republic.

The main problem with true republic is that they look weaker than they really are and conversely centralized authoritarian governments look stronger than they really are. Leading to war.

39 posted on 12/20/2010 5:09:43 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: socalgop

Now we can see why CA is dead and aggressively trying to entice the rest of the nation to provide a heart transplant. Her wicked heart is the problem, what CA needs is a brain and the understanding of acrual history instead of the PC version now taught.

Our founders told us the work we must do would be to KEEP a republic. It is only the enemies of our Republic that keep talking about changing it because “times” are different. No, man is still the same as he was in the days of Jeremiah when he followed a wicked corrupt government and ignored God.

The founders, begining with Washington, warned against of the danger of a standing army. They said nothing about disbanding the means of self protection. It is simply the liberal mind that assumes only government can do it. When the colonies seceded from Great Britain there was no standing army. There was a militia- men who accepted their own responsibility to protect the family, farms, and neighbors from invaders. They did not sit around crying for the nanny state to come save them. Today we need that same militia. It is each man’s patriotic duty to arm himself- not for hunting alone- but for war in order to deter tyranny. But then personal responsibility has never been popular with those who find it easier to let someone else do it for him.


188 posted on 12/23/2010 5:06:24 AM PST by Conservative9
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