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To: 2ndDivisionVet
He actually has a decent point with regard to France.

For many decades during the 19th century the French siphoned off massive amounts of wealth from Haiti because its people had had the temerity to fight and win their freedom. They enforced this transfer of wealth by the threat of a blockade. With no fleet, the Haitians could not fight back.

Had Haiti been a “white” nation the USA would never have allowed this egregious violation of the Monroe Doctrine. If the French had the right to collect these sums, we still owe the UK a bunch of money.

32 posted on 09/23/2010 3:26:31 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan; EEDUDE; Doc Savage; Altura Ct.; cherry; Black Agnes; Beckwith
For many decades during the 19th century the French siphoned off massive amounts of wealth from Haiti because its people had had the temerity to fight and win their freedom.

Haiti has been run by black or mulatto dictators since 1791.

France did not control anything there in the 19th century . Haiti paid France around 10 million US in reparations for property lost in the revolution to gain French recognition over 50 years from 1838-1888. Haitian GDP prior to revolt was many times that. To try to blame Haiti today on France from 200 years ago is a very very big stretch and falls into the old tried and true axiom that blacks rise and fall on the whim of the cracker....which to me is the real racist logic much more so than notions of white supremacy...the dependent blacks shackled by the white man's benevolence or scorn...without us they are lost.....soft bigotry..low expectations...one thing Bush got right.

They did not siphon off any more wealth from there than did any other colonial power from any other colony.

The denuding of the nation was done by Haitians themselves and mostly for charcoal...not uncommon in the third world.

The only wealth there was created by agricultural deployment...namely sugar cane...a little sisal...and some alumina I'd reckon...can't recall....but it stands to reason.

But you're right about one thing...had Haiti been white would not have happened because whites themselves would have found a way to make a reasonable nation after 200 years of Independence unlike most but not all blacks there..

There are some smart and well meaning Christian blacks there but they are simply drowned out by kleptocracy, superstitions and primitive culture that is beyond hope.

What wealth there is exists in the hands of Chinese, Arabs, Jews and even some Swedes and old Mulatto families and not because those folks are evil non black exploiters but because they are smarter in general and more educated.

They massacred or drove off nearly all the whites after the the revolt and have suffered for it...irreparably in my opinion.

Contrast them with Dom Rep next door...a fairly African place but with a strong white and mulatto bourgeoisie...much much better....though still way below what we would call good.

it's just how it is man...all cultures or races or sub-races etc don't perform equally on the mean....even with inter group variance taken into account

geographic isolation and tribalism and in my view black magic worship are strong inhibiters...and I think it transfers over time beyond just sociological

so fire away...I lived there....worked there from 88-92 the better part of each year...from Jacmel to Port au Paix

PS...they shoulda kept West Point grad Cedras

36 posted on 09/23/2010 4:24:52 PM PDT by wardaddy (We are on a roll like I have never seen.)
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