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To: CynicalBear
There is more physical evidence that he was born in Kenya then the adoption in Indonesia.

True, but you have to weigh all of the evidence and come to a conclusion. I just haven't seen anything that leads me to believe that a massively pregnant teenager would, in 1961, travel all the way to Kenya to deliver a child when it seems likely that the only real role of the father in all of this was the impregnation event. I could be wrong, of course.

The testimony of his family and representations of the Kenyan Parliament do have be taken with a grain of salt.

56 posted on 08/10/2010 8:04:16 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: centurion316

Actually what I believe is that:
He was born in Kenya.
He was adopted by Lolo Soetoro and lost US citizenship
He did travel to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport
He got foreign aid in college under the name Soetoro
He uses a Social Security number that was issued to a man that was born in 1890 from CT.


61 posted on 08/10/2010 8:12:12 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: centurion316

There is more physical evidence that he was born in Kenya then the adoption in Indonesia.
True, but you have to weigh all of the evidence and come to a conclusion. I just haven’t seen anything that leads me to believe that a massively pregnant teenager would, in 1961, travel all the way to Kenya to deliver a child when it seems likely that the only real role of the father in all of this was the impregnation event. I could be wrong, of course.

The testimony of his family and representations of the Kenyan Parliament do have be taken with a grain of salt.


Yes, what you say is reasonable and true. But, there are so many strange permutations in this case. Why in the world would anyone continue to hide the birth certificate if it only reveals what has already been seen online? Why is it almost illegal to even bring up the matter in casual conversation or at a White House press conference? Why does anyone mentioning the matter on a blog or website get huge denial of services attacks?

In the beginning I thought that the unwed mother had gone to Canada by car to have the baby in hospitals there. I too find it difficult to believe that a pregnant 18-year-old would get on an airplane to Kenya. But stranger things have happened, and continue to happen in this case. To discuss it further would require a small book. Many people on FR have contributed many amazing small parts to this incredible puzzle. And it will always be a puzzle and continue to be a puzzle until the guy produces this single sheet of paper that the Constitution demands that he produce,

and that is a paper copy of his original long form birth certificate.


118 posted on 08/12/2010 1:48:15 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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