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To: Idabilly; Vermont Lt
War does suck.

"War is cruelty, and you can not qualify it, and those who brought war in our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour on. War is the remedy our enemy's have chosen. They dared us to war, and you remember how tauntingly they defied us to the contest. We have accepted the issue and it must be fought out. You might as well reason with a thunderstorm. I say let us give them all they want; not a word of argument, not a sign of let up, no cave in till we are whipped or they are." - William T. Sherman

What your major bone of contention seems to be is that when push came to shove, your Southern boys were not capable of winning the war that they themselves started. You choose to blame the victor for you problems instead of blaming your own ancestors for starting and then losing the war to begin with.

Sumter, was occupied by union forces - after - South C had left.

Sumter was the property of the federal government, and as commander of all army facilities in the Charleston area Major Anderson was well within his authority to move his men to any one of the forts he was responsible for. Especially in the face of rebel threats.

533 posted on 06/30/2010 7:53:56 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Abraham Lincoln: For when it happened too long ago to blame on George W. Bush)
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To: Non-Sequitur

You mis-read my points (or I posted to the wrong party.) I agree with you. As a northerner and unionist—and a student of the military—I believe there is no such thing as a winnable limited war. Either you “is or you ain’t.”

If someone starts a war I am in favor of going “Mongol” on them.


535 posted on 06/30/2010 8:01:47 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (I lived in VT for four years. That was enough.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

What’s next? Quote from Stalin?


536 posted on 06/30/2010 8:06:50 AM PDT by Idabilly ("When injustice becomes law....Resistance becomes DUTY !")
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To: Non-Sequitur
"My Dear General: I am very much obliged to you for the copies of my letters, forwarded with yours of January 25th. I hope you will be able to send me reports of the operations of your commands in the campaign, from the Wilderness to Richmond, at Lynchburg, in the Valley, Maryland, etc.; all statistics as regards numbers, destruction of private property by the Federal troops, etc., I should like to have, as I wish my memory strengthened on these points. It will be difficult to get the world to understand the odds against which we fought, and the destruction or loss of all returns of the army embarrass me very much. I read your letter from Havana to the New York Times, and was pleased with the temper in which it was written. I have since received the paper containing it, published in the City of Mexico, and also your letter in reference to Mr. Davis. I understand and appreciate the motives which prompted both letters, and think they will be of service in the way you intended. I have been much pained to see the attempts made to cast odium upon Mr. Davis, but do not think they will be successful with the reflecting or informed portion of the country. The accusations against myself I have not thought proper to notice, or even to correct misrepresentations of my words and acts. We shall have to be patient and suffer for awhile at least; and all controversy, I think, will only serve to prolong angry and bitter feeling, and postpone the period when reason and charity may resume their sway. At present, the public mind is not prepared to receive the truth. The feelings which influenced you to leave the country were natural, and, I presume, were uppermost in the breasts of many. It was a matter which each one had to decide for himself, as he only could know the reasons which governed him. I was particularly anxious on your account, as I had the same apprehensions to which you refer. I am truly glad that you are beyond the reach of annoyance, and hope you may be able to employ yourself profitably and usefully. Mexico is a beautiful country, fertile, of vast resources; and, with a stable government and virtuous population, will rise to greatness. I do not think that your letters can be construed by your former associates as reflecting upon them, and I have never heard the least blame cast by those who have remained upon those who thought it best to leave the country. I think I stated in a former letter the reasons which governed me, and will not therefore repeat them. I hope, in time, peace will be restored to the country, and that the South may enjoy some measure of prosperity. I fear, however, much suffering is still in store for her, and that her people must be prepared to exercise fortitude and forbearance. I must beg you to present my kind regards to the gentlemen with you, and, with my best wishes for yourself and undiminished esteem, I am, "Most truly yours, "R. E. LEE."

BTW,your murderous Generals couldn't carry Lee's jock !

540 posted on 06/30/2010 8:22:45 AM PDT by Idabilly ("When injustice becomes law....Resistance becomes DUTY !")
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