[Idabilly]

You'll also note that the date of the referendum - May 23, 1861 - was over two weeks after Virginia was admitted to the confederacy - May 7, 1861. So the referendum was pointless, the decision had been made without the people being allowed to vote on it.

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Let the conspiracy begin! ( sarcasm )

Weren't we in WW2 before we were in it? Never mind. Regardless of your allegiance to Saint Abraham, the two of you seem to forget the meaning of SOVIERGNTY. The whole basis of your augments are without merit.

As Lysander said so elegantly:

Still another of the frauds of these men is, that they are now establishing, and that the war was designed to establish, "a government of consent." The only idea they have ever manifested as to what is a government of consent, is this -- that it is one to which everybody must consent, or be shot.

[Non-Sequitur]

Weren't we in WW2 before we were in it? Never mind. Regardless of your allegiance to Saint Abraham, the two of you seem to forget the meaning of SOVIERGNTY. The whole basis of your augments are without merit.

You seem to be forgetting the words of the Virginia secession declaration, assuming you even read it in the first place. "This ordinance shall take effect and be an act of this day, when ratified by a majority of the voter of the people of this State cast at a poll to be taken thereon on the fourth Thursday in May next, in pursuance of a schedule hereafter to be enacted." So they went and were admitted to the confederacy before they had legally left the Union. An interesting legal dilemma. But perhaps not, given the confederacy's lack of interest in the rule of law.

[usmcobra]

The first shots against the consent of the nation were lobed at Ft. Sumter.