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To: Non-Sequitur; mojitojoe
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One irony is that in the Union slave states of Maryland, Delaware, and Kentucky Lincoln occupied them with Federal troops to prevent them from seceding but did not interfere with slavery in those states during his lifetime. Occupied? More bullshit.

"more bullshit", eh?

Can you back up your assertion with facts?

The fact is, federal troops were used to prevent the Kentucky legislature from meeting to vote on secession. The fact is, the Maryland legislature was prevented from meeting to vote on secession; as was the legislature in Delaware. The fact is, the later Emancipation Proclamation did not free one slave in Maryland, Delaware, Kentucky or Washington, DC.

If you're going to use such scintillatingly intellegent argument method as shouting "Bullshit" when someone says something you do not want to hear, you should at least be prepared to follow it up with some facts of your own.

523 posted on 04/20/2010 6:07:24 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: WayneS

Four slave states — Delaware, Maryland, Missouri, and Kentucky — did not secede from the Union. On April 29th, Maryland held a secession convention and delegates voted secession down 53 to 13. On May 20th, Governor Beriah Magoffin of Kentucky had declared that state’s neutrality. Missouri held a secession convention in February at Jefferson City, but did not vote for secession. Delaware had all but abolished slavery by 1861. Kentucky, Maryland, and Missouri became buffer zones between the North and the South. All three of these states provided troops to the Confederacy.


531 posted on 04/20/2010 7:04:48 AM PDT by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org)
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To: WayneS
Can you back up your assertion with facts?

Apparently better than you.

The fact is, federal troops were used to prevent the Kentucky legislature from meeting to vote on secession.

The fact is that the Kentucky legislature refused to vote for secession. A majority of the legislators opposed secession and when Beriah Magoffin called for a special session of the legislature to vote for secession, the legislature voted the proposal down. A minority of legislators and other secession supporters met in Russelville and voted to secede, but they had no authority to take the state out of the Union. There was never a statewide referendum on the question.

Far from being prevented from seceding by Union troops, Kentucky neutrality was respected by Lincoln and not Union troops crossed the state's border until after Leonidas Polk violated Kentucky neutrality on September 3, 1861.

The fact is, the Maryland legislature was prevented from meeting to vote on secession...

The fact is that the Maryland legislature met on April 26 and 27 in Frederick and decided that they had no Constitutional authority to take the state out of the Union. On May 10, the legislature issued a more detailed statement saying that the war was unconstitutional and unjust, that Maryland would work for peace, and that while the state would not support the war they would not join the rebellion either.

...as was the legislature in Delaware

The Delaware legislature voted on the question of secession on January 3, 1861 and rejected it overwhelmingly.

The fact is, the later Emancipation Proclamation did not free one slave in Maryland, Delaware, Kentucky or Washington, DC.

For Maryland, Delaware, and Kentucky it was because none of those states were part of the rebellion. For D.C. it was because Congress voted to end slavery on April 16, 1862.

If you're going to use such scintillatingly intellegent argument method as shouting "Bullshit" when someone says something you do not want to hear, you should at least be prepared to follow it up with some facts of your own.

How did I do?

535 posted on 04/20/2010 8:02:44 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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