Posted on 04/19/2010 8:18:35 AM PDT by erod
So now you are defending slavery outright. How delicious.
Fort Sumter was not 'the land of the Confederate States.' It was property of the U.S. government and secession, even if it had been legal, didn't change that.
Fort Sumter was not 'the land of the Confederate States.' It was property of the U.S. government and secession, even if it had been legal, didn't change that.
So...that means the question of whether the President can suspend it has not been definitively answered. Right?
For those interested in more than Lost Cause propaganda, and cherry picked quotations, here's a link to the full text of Lincoln's remarks concerning Dred Scott.
Don’t look at me, my people fought for the South.
“Completely untrue. As early as 1864 he was suggesting that Louisiana may want to give some blacks the vote to a delegation representing that states loyal government. As late as April 11th Lincoln said publicly, “I would myself prefer that [suffrage] were now conferred on the very intelligent, and those who served our cause as soldiers...” He, like many others, realized that if the freed slaves did not get the vote then they would have no means of protecting their rights from the white populace.”
What authority do you suppose he had to suggest that to a State that had already seceded? That is kind of like Obamao telling Israel who can live in Jerusalem neighborhoods. You probably think that is ok though.
“Tell me more about the glorious southern culture that both blacks and whites shared in and loved.”
As I have pointed out earlier, the southern culture defines the American culture. It was the only place where diverse cultures existed and communicated their cultures to a greater culture. This did not happen in the North East. This is the reason that those lacking an authentic culture are always trying to find ways to attack the south; projection and transference. The North East can at best be described as a legal culture. The truth is it is still pretty much a ghetto culture - pick your ethnic neighborhood and resturant, but you will find no “northeastern culture”.
As to the treatment of blacks, I had the opportunity to watch force busing occur in Detroit and Boston around about 1970-72. These were extremely violent events. The south, I should point out, had integrated in 1962 peacefully. (note-much of the county schools were already integrated because the county could not afford two school systems). I recall both Detroit and Boston shotguns were fired at buses loaded with kids. Forcing ghettos to intermingle was a violent process. To this day I can find ghettos within every major NE city (dittos the West and Mid west). Pray you are not a black man in an Irish neighborhood in Boston or a white guy in East Orange, NJ.
Again, you can disparage the south, but hopefully you have something more sustainable than a gated community to offer in its stead.
John Nicolay also wrote The Outbreak of Rebellion, which seethes with his personal animus and partisanship but also allows a very frank look at some things that were done in the Government. His animation sometimes carries him away, and at such moments some candid comments may pop out.
His book is good for following the outbreak of hostilities, and it is helpful to anyone trying to penetrate the shadows and murk with which Lincoln sought to conceal his intentions and his hand during the opening moves of the commencement of the war.
At that point - 1864 - most of Louisiana had been freed from the Southern rebellion and had established a loyal U.S. administration in Baton Rouge. These were the people Lincoln was trying to influence, to no avail as it turns out.
That is kind of like Obamao telling Israel who can live in Jerusalem neighborhoods. You probably think that is ok though.
Israel is not part of the U.S. Louisiana is.
Well, I guess you jumped in to make sure it didn’t happen.
What sort of idiot takes his wife and two small children down a deserted street? and if by chance the attacker is to any degree successful, will it matter who or what you are?
I jumped in because it’s an embarrassment to the cause of conservative, constitutional government to have blowhards running around on sites like this defending slavery.
Denying that the South seceded because of slavery is foolishness.
Hilarious. I guess that's why they had to call in the National Guard to escort a little black girl to class. Cause the South was all "peaceful" with their wonderful monolithic "culture."
Slavery was an ancient institution borne of compassion.
So now you are defending slavery outright. How delicious.
I defend nothing, I merely point out the conditions that created slavery. I guess you came from outer space and your people never indulged in slavery. My guess is your people did in fact deal in slavery at some point. I am pretty sure they did, given your likely provenance is Europe, Asia, or Africa. So why the snotty attitude, why the pious assholiness? If slavery is this great sin, then why did’nt Christ condemn it? Moses? How about Buddha? Zoroaster? Can you think of any prophet that did? Are you seriously equating Lincoln to a prophet? Why did Plato and Aristotle not sort things out, why did we wait until the 19th century to deal with it? My objection is to the utter hypocrisy of those condemning something that costs them nothing to condemn. Yeah, I’m for warm puppies and free cookies too. I just don’t know how to deliver them to all of humanity in the face of historical precedence. Shoosh, grow up.
When was slavery ever a compassionate institution?
“Again, you can disparage the south”
Not I!
From a 1935 VQR Essay concerning literature of the day, John Crowe Ransom states, “But a Southern literature, I think, will never be constituted by a local color, for its essence is a spirit.”
IMHO his remark can be easily applied to the The South as a whole because, although there are distinct subcultures in The South, the essence of The South as a whole is indeed in our collective spirit. It is in that collective spirit where our common bond resides:)
Hilarious. I guess that’s why they had to call in the National Guard to escort a little black girl to class. Cause the South was all “peaceful” with their wonderful monolithic “culture.”
May I remind you that was 1957 and President Eisenhower directed. Did you see any violence? Compare and contrast Boston and Detroit in 1972 when integration was forced on them. The violence was embarassing. Do you support grown men shooting school buses full of kids? Own your own sins - quit projecting them to others.
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