Posted on 04/19/2010 8:18:35 AM PDT by erod
The facts presented in the book are far from lies, and you knwo it. You’re just another screen name for non-sequitur.
And you're as full of crap as the proverbial Christmas turkey.
All I asked for was a quote to support your claims. You could have said "I just made it up" without launching your rabid, mouthfoaming rant.
This quote is from Delorenzo's The Real Lincoln:
"Eliminating every last black person from American soil, Lincoln proclaimed, would be 'a glorious consummation.'"
Here's what Lincoln actually said:
"If as the friends of colonization hope, the present and coming generations of our countrymen shall by any means, succeed in freeing our land from the dangerous presence of slavery; and, at the same time, in restoring a captive people to their long-lost father-land, with bright prospects for the future; and this too, so gradually, that neither races nor individuals shall have suffered by the change, it will indeed be a glorious consummation."
That is just one of the numerous times DeLorenzo distorts and mischarecterizes Lincoln's words to support his otherwise worthless conclusions.
Good morning, tonka_truck,
Another link for black confederate records.
http://calebstriumph.com/black_confederates/black_confederates.html
Now, you’re going to have to do some of your own research. I don’t have time to look up everything for you. Also, just in case you don’t read the complete site, here is a quote re: Who was considered a soldier. Later on, I’ll post another link about buglers and drummers actually being.......yep, you guessed it, soldiers.
“According to General August Kautz’s, USA,”Customs of Service, for Non-Commissioned Officers and Soldiers” (1864), page. 11: “In the fullest sense, any man in the military service who receives pay, whether sworn in or not, is a soldier because he is subject to military law. Under this general head, laborers, teamsters, sutlers and chaplains, are soldiers.”
By this definition from a Union (Northern) source, the Free men of color and slaves who were paid by the Confederate government were soldiers. If a rule applies to one side of the conflict, it is true for both.
Hello again, tonka_truck,
This link has a few videos of Southern black americans with a story to tell of the Rebel flag and what it means to them.
Nothing like jumping to conclusions with nothing to base it on, is there? Just because they are identified by company didn't mean they were combat soldiers. Company officers needed cooks, too.
There is no doubt that the rebel army hauled slaves and free blacks along with them from the very beginning. But it is also an established fact that the confederate government did not authorize the enlistment and conscription of black combat soldiers until March 1865. Any reports of black soldiers prior to that have to be offset by the fact that not a single confederat general that I'm aware of ever reported any black combat soldiers in their ranks, and with few exceptions the rebel leadership was opposed to using blacks for combat roles to the very end of the rebellion. The idea that massed ranks of black soldiers fought shoulder to shoulder with their white compatriots in their struggle against the Yankee oppressors is very much a 20th century revisionist story. Blacks with the rebel army did what blacks throughout the South did; menial labor, serving roles, and other jobs considered beneath whites. Their labor did support the confederate war effort but if you want to consider them soliders in the same manner as the white soldiers then I doubt your confederate ancestors would have agreed with you.
And this is one of the best videos. Please note the pics while you enjoy the musice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GVIAypsnh8
Is it? The U.S. army considered black soldiers in its ranks as soldiers. The confederate government considered them as runaway slaves. The U.S. government expected that captured black soldiers were to be treated as POWs. Confederate law said that any black Union soldier captured was to be sent back to slavery. So why wasn't the rule applied to one side applied to the other in this case?
Today your asssignment is to study up on a fellow Arkansan, General Patrick Cleburne. Specifically I would like you to report on what his views were regarding negro soldiers and how those views impacted the confederacy. You may use yankee inventions like google to assist you, but your report must be in your own words. I will check back with you at 1800 hours to see how you've done.
great vid thank you
“Today your asssignment is to study up on a fellow Arkansan, General Patrick Cleburne. Specifically I would like you to report on what his views were regarding negro soldiers and how those views impacted the confederacy.”
Uh-uh, tonka truck, I don’t take assignments from you. Besides, you and I both know the history of General Cleburne and his views.
You need to get to reading and researching now, you’ll get behind. It helps if you just look for the truth.
“great vid thank you”
Anytime, manc:) How’ve ya been?
ROTFLMAO!!!
Damnyankee propaganda, lies, revisionism and denial continues to rear it's fugly head.
Of course they couldn't report back home to yankeeville that the very blacks that they were trying to rescue were actually shooting back at them! Even as dumb as most yankees are, they would probably eventually figure out that something wasn't quite right, so disHonest Abe's propagandists had to make up the lie that, sure, there were blacks in the Confederate line, but they were just holding horses and polishing boots.
And 145 years later, pack_truck and the rest of the damn yankee coven continue to spread the lie and, if fact, have told it so much that they may actually believe it themselves. (And, of course, this applies to the entire illegal invasion and subsequent occupation of a sovereign nation!)
End the Occupation!
Free Dixie!!
The other explaination is that all of these after action reports showing black rebels armed and fighting by commissioned Officers in the USA were a pack of lies. Based on their CinC record of veracity; this could make sense also.
“End the Occupation!
Free Dixie!!”
Hear, Hear, Cowboy!
Wonder how they explain away the pic of blacks in thier Confederate uniforms w/sabres, if they weren’t armed? And that is just one site.
NS doesn’t realize it isn’t arguing w/me, its arguing with itself and historians.
I also don’t see why anyone would want to tell the relatives of the deceased soldiers that their ancestors weren’t really soldiers. Talk about disrespect!
There actually are historical records, it just takes alot of time researching and a desire to seek the whole truth.
Excellent observation! The depths to which the damn yankee coven will go to propagate their lies and revisionism has no bottom.
End the Occupation!
Free Dixie!!
The damn yankee coven posting on this thread are typical yankees: they're racist.
Does this mean you don't like me anymore? (*snif*)
I don't mind you ignoring me if you don't mind my continuing to poke holes in your revisionist pap.
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