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To: OafOfOffice

“People consistently say his mother was a citizen so Obama was. There is no evidence she was a citizen anywhere except Obama’s lying words. “

His mom wasn’t a citizen?


117 posted on 04/16/2010 3:19:45 PM PDT by Sophia777
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To: Sophia777

No one has seen any evidence one way or another. For all we know, she might have naturalized as a citizen of another country when she gave birth. Since almost everything about 0bama is either unknown, exaggerated, lied about, hidden, etc - who knows?


120 posted on 04/16/2010 3:26:40 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: Sophia777

Stanley Ann Dunham does not have a United states birth certificate anywhere in vital records. Usually you can find it and then if related send away for the record. She is nowhere to be found.

The only Obama relative found anywhere in records is Madelyn in the census. She was like 7 years old living in her father Rollo Payne’s home at the time.

And obama’s grandfather’s records are nowhere to be found either. Interesting family that stepped out of a Obama book or the twilight zone.


121 posted on 04/16/2010 3:27:11 PM PDT by OafOfOffice (W.C:Socialism:Philosophy of failure,creed of ignorance,gospel of envy,the equal sharing of misery)
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To: Sophia777; All

His mom wasn’t a citizen?

His mom was clearly a US citizen, a natural-born Citizen to be exact. She could have been president had she ever been in the US long enough after reaching 35 year of age to meet Article II, § 1, cl. 5’s residency requirement of “and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

There has been some discussion about Ann Dunham being able to transfer her US citizenship to her baby, due to her age and the Naturalization laws on the books at the time in 1961, if and ONLY if her baby, Barack Obama Jr was NOT born on US soil.

Furthermore, the location of his birth is not as straight forward as it might seem, simply because of the loopholes in Hawaii HRS 338 and Family Court Rules which can mask or seal the original birth record from the Hawaiian Vital Statistics office. SO, even if a certified copy similar to FactCheck's abbreviated Certification actually finds its way in court as prima facie, it may not show ALL relevant information that would affect his natural-born Citizen status.

For example, if Obama Jr was born in Vancouver in an orphanage environment as some have suggested, but then Ann decided not to give up her baby upon his birth, she could have called her mother in Hawaii and asked her mother to serendipitously register the baby as a home birth in Hawaii. Her mother could have simply forged Ann's signature on the Hawaii registration form in 1961, turning it in to a sympathetic clerk who could have been told that the mother and baby were sick or off the island. Hawaii Vital Statistics would have then send out the notices to the local newspapers, that then would have published the birth as if the infant was born in one of the two hospital at the time that specialized in childbirth ... hence the unique phrase of "Date Filed by Registrar" that appears on Obama's COLB versus the more standard phrase "Date Accepted by State Registrar".


But in the end, his mother's US citizenship status and the location of birth are, in part, a distraction until PROVEN otherwise.

At the heart of the matter is the fact that his FATHER was never a US Citizen and Obama Jr was born as British subject, an exemption that ONLY the Framers wrote for themselves. The Framers ALSO were British subjects until the Treaty of Paris that officially ended the Revolutionary War on September 3, 1783. On that day, if they so chose to remain in the United States, they were in effect Dual Citizens of both England and the United States, hence the “loophole” they wrote for themselves:

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.

Obama Jr, who was born in 1961 as both a US Citizen from his mother and a British subject from his father clearly does not qualify for the 18th Century loophole and is therefore a de-facto President at this time.


158 posted on 04/16/2010 5:14:38 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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