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To: Non-Sequitur; Idabilly; rustbucket
Obviously the Southern states were in insurrection and opposing the execution of the laws of the Union.

Of course they were "opposing the execution of the laws of the Union" -- they were no longer in the Union, whose laws were now as foreign to them as the laws of France.

They were not, however, in "insurrection" for having resumed their reserved powers and full sovereignty. They were within their rights to do so, and the Framers understood that that would be true someday when they took the vote posted up by Idabilly at No. 79, above:

“Under this Constitution, as originally adopted and as it now exists, no State has power to withdraw from the jurisdiction of the United States; and this Constitution, and all laws passed in pursuance of its delegated powers, are the supreme late [sc. "law"; sic] of the land, anything contained in any constitution, ordinance, or act of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.”
28 nays to 18 yeas
(Emphasis supplied.)

His link: http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsj&fileName=052/llsj052.db&recNum=378&itemLink=D?hlaw:3:./temp/~ammem_iHF8::%230520379&linkText=1

The language you say you don't need, N-S, to argue that secession was "forbidden" (your word not mine) by the Constitution, was in fact considered and rejected by the Philadelphia Convention.

Smoking gun, Non-Sequitur. And Idabilly posted it up to you and everyone else, and you keep ignoring it.

349 posted on 03/14/2010 1:19:17 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus
Of course they were "opposing the execution of the laws of the Union" -- they were no longer in the Union, whose laws were now as foreign to them as the laws of France.

Incorrect.

They were not, however, in "insurrection" for having resumed their reserved powers and full sovereignty

Again, incorrect.

The language you say you don't need, N-S, to argue that secession was "forbidden" (your word not mine) by the Constitution, was in fact considered and rejected by the Philadelphia Convention.

Not my word. I've never said that secession was forbidden. But the way the Southern states chose to go about it was.

351 posted on 03/14/2010 1:24:00 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: lentulusgracchus; Non-Sequitur; rustbucket
“Smoking gun, Non-Sequitur. And Idabilly posted it up to you and everyone else, and you keep ignoring it.”

Non-Sequitur acts like the Coach who's team is behind 45-7, and argues with the referee over whether or not his time out was called before the two minute warning. The game is OVER.

It matters not. He fights facts served up by Rustbucket,Yourself,and other proud supporters of the ‘Lost Cause Brigade’..........

370 posted on 03/14/2010 6:34:57 PM PDT by Idabilly
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