The Wide-Awakes were a political marching group organized well before the 1860 election. Who's zooming whom here? They were radical, militant, sinister paramilitary political street formations exactly analogous to the Nazi Sturmabteilungen, the Brown Shirts. The Wide-Awakes dressed in uniforms and wore black oilskins when they marched in their lamplight parades.
Don't play "equivalency" games with me. The Republicans dreamed these guys up on their own. There was no equivalent on the other side when the Wide-Awakes were organized.
And I also noticed that you completely forgot the mention that a state convention convened in March voted down secession. Why is that?
Because we were talking about something else -- the fact that Lincoln started planning before he armed the Wide-Awakes in January, to suppress the entire State of Missouri.
Missouri isn't the only Southern State -- it was a Southern State, pal, get over it! Full of rednecks! And you can't stand it, but there it is! -- to have voted down secession, only to change their minds later when they saw what Lincoln was doing.
Only they never got the chance -- Lincoln had his tigers at their throats before they could move.
Why is it that you have no problems with Southern mobs taking the state out of the Union against the wishes of the people as expressed at a convention held to determine the whole secession question, but you see nothing but evil intent in an attempt to oppose that attempt?
Nice try. The whole State was a "Southern mob" according to you ..... except for the Missouri Wide-Awakes who were innocent little lambikins rowing back and forth to the Illinois side to arm up with the contents of Illinois arsenals.
Your "attempt to oppose that attempt" was the original attempt -- don't try to turn this around. Your guy Lincoln jumped first. He started the whole damned thing, including the Missouri coup d'etat.
The Missouri volunteer Militia, the MMV, were legitimate. The Wide-Awakes were not. That's the difference. The MMV were the People of Missouri in arms, and your guy sent a jackleg army to "arrest" them and subjugate them -- precisely the thing that Hamilton and Madison promised us wouldn't happen under the federal system they'd devised with the Constitution.
Lincoln used force against States the way I use flyswatters on flies, and he did it unprovoked. Lincoln was the aggressor, you can't get out of it.
Took you this long to resort to a Nazi analogy? You are slipping. Usually you've sunk to that level long before now.
Because we were talking about something else -- the fact that Lincoln started planning before he armed the Wide-Awakes in January, to suppress the entire State of Missouri.
Which is bullshit but hey, without BS where would any of your posts be?
Missouri isn't the only Southern State -- it was a Southern State, pal, get over it! Full of rednecks! And you can't stand it, but there it is! -- to have voted down secession, only to change their minds later when they saw what Lincoln was doing.
Except that nobody changed any minds. Missouri's secession was launched by an impeached governor and a rump part of the legislature. It was no more legal than the secession announced by any of the other rebelling states. In the end, Missouri wound up supplying more troops to the Union than to the rebels.
Only they never got the chance -- Lincoln had his tigers at their throats before they could move.
The Southron myth machine knows no limits.
Nice try. The whole State was a "Southern mob" according to you ..... except for the Missouri Wide-Awakes who were innocent little lambikins rowing back and forth to the Illinois side to arm up with the contents of Illinois arsenals.
Hardly. The majority of the state preferred the Union to the rebels.
The Missouri volunteer Militia, the MMV, were legitimate. The Wide-Awakes were not. That's the difference.
A difference that exists only in your mind.
Lincoln used force against States the way I use flyswatters on flies, and he did it unprovoked. Lincoln was the aggressor, you can't get out of it.
So you would like us to believe.