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To: Brugmansian
Hamilton gets slammed because his side lost.

Smoke rising over Atlanta said his side won. As do, in New York, Hamilton's hometown, a lot of finely-appointed Gilded Age parlors, with their elegant woodwork and imported marbles. As contrasted with the bleaching bones of 19th-century American agriculture that are still visible out in Jefferson's "yeoman" country, where New York-run agribusinesses now rule, and Jefferson's "yeomen" cling to a miserable existence as trailer-trash and air-conditioner repairmen.

Liberals won in 1800 and he [Hamilton] became the poster boy of the evils of Federalism. Its the same thing liberals do to conservatives today.

Liberals in 1800 became the conservatives of 2000. Or more precisely, "paleo-cons". People who call themselves "liberals" today are actually "progressives" -- both of which are in ironic quotes because the people in question are neither; they're Marxist-Leninists instead: neo-Stalinists.

110 posted on 03/11/2010 7:48:06 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus
Liberals in 1800 became the conservatives of 2000. Or more precisely, "paleo-cons". People who call themselves "liberals" today are actually "progressives" -- both of which are in ironic quotes because the people in question are neither; they're Marxist-Leninists instead: neo-Stalinists.

Absolutely true! And it should not be overlooked that many of the "leading lights" in the movement that brought Mr. Lincoln to power were active participants in the European socialist revolutions of 1848 who came to the good old USA one step ahead of the hangman after their efforts in Europe had failed. Unfortunately, they did not leave their ideologies behind when they came here.

114 posted on 03/11/2010 8:14:22 AM PST by Bigun ("It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Liberals in 1800 became the conservatives of 2000. Or more precisely, "paleo-cons".

Jefferson, Paine and their faction was more in line with the French than the American revolution. Jefferson represented a corrupt aristocracy, propped up by an ignorant underclass and a venal press (Fisher Ames' characterization). They were hardly paleo-cons. The Federalist charge (correct in my estimation) was they were Jacobins.

115 posted on 03/11/2010 8:18:07 AM PST by Brugmansian
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