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To: etraveler13

The outgoing CA would be closing cases, and notifications being made, office changing, etc.
Are you hardline enough to deny this possibility?

No I don’t deny this possibility, Bu it’s remote and unrealistic. I’m not a hardliner.
This theory about dual CAship is there only to float Lucas’ sinking ship. But I’am glad your taking my work seriously, I enjoy discussions about facts. When people start getting personal I believe that they are running short of arguments.
It is a fact that until April 13th Othigo speaks as CA to The Nation newspaper. It is a fact that Maganga first is mentioned as CA on June 17th. That the incoming CA would sign documents before his appointment is frankly a very faint possibility. CA of CPGH is a public position, CPGH is a government institution. Yes, off course there are transitions, but one is the man (or the woman in charge), the one bearing the full legal responsibilities (and they are quite heavy in a hospital) off his position.


752 posted on 03/14/2010 2:19:55 PM PDT by Mik Taerg
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To: Mik Taerg; InspectorSmith

Here is another one to think about.


You have an Outgoing CA, and an incoming CA

A New Stamp is made for new CA (apparent misspelling of name on new stamp)((happens all the time))
The old Stamp is being removed for old CA, so no longer used

The New CA is not available for the signature, so the Person delivering the document, not Maganga, signs it. Again, Old stamp no longer available

This is a Rush job. Cash is involved

Lucas, did you say you witnessed Magange sign it? I don’t remember. I sorta think you did not see him, since he was not getting paid off, the clerk was...
My point is that transistion time has lots of minutae going on, and a quick payoff (hard cash) to an underpaid clerk is involved for this document.
* All information on the document is correct
* The document is real
* The embossing is real
* But during the transition, there is a new stamp, no possiblity yet of a real signature?
* Real possibility of No deal on the part of the clerk?
* He Can’t pass up the cash, so the clerk forges the signature, hence the misspelling, to agree with the stamp.
* Once the clerk has the cash, he no longer cares..It’s Not his problem...

The signature issue has boogered it up upon examination by those who checked it closely, but nobody has had issue with the contents of the document itself.

It sorta gets back to killing the message because of the messenger, anyway

I wish to point out that if this happened, it was not IMO at the urging of Lucas Smith, rather the greed and indifference of the clerk. There has been no other photo that I know of showing Heltan Maganga’s signature to disprove my “theory”, and that is all it is. If this were true, it would be human nature on the clerks side, and both Lucas and Mik would be correct. I love happy endings...LOL
Just a thought...


754 posted on 03/14/2010 4:18:00 PM PDT by etraveler13
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To: Mik Taerg; etraveler13; Fred Nerks; Seizethecarp; WhizCodger; theviking711; dgroundhog; ...
Kim,

You speak of “When people start getting personal I believe that they are running short of arguments” then I assume that you would include yourself in that?

How many times have you brought half truths, lies and forgeries to the table? No one is taking you seriously.

You still haven't brought any other evidence to the table other than online newspaper articles. Do yourself a favor and do some real investigative reporting.

Why do you attempt to rationalize out everything with American though, culture and norms?

Things in Africa are much different than they are in the USA. Most places outside of the USA and Western Europe have different norms we are uses to.

You (kim) claim to have spenyt 30 years in Africa working for oil companies (though you've admitted that was just a lie) so you should realize that we cannot rationalize things in Africa out with our American thought process as to what would be the norms in their culture and society.

I have given in the past a tremendous amount of examples as to the difference in “norms” between many African nations and the United States of America. All of which you were unfamiliar with and which went on further to prove that you have never been anywhere in Africa.

We as Americans do not have a clue as to how things run in a undeveloped third world nation. It's not like American where we're all so obsessive compulsive and keep record of every little thing that happens. Many Africans don't know nor do they care what the birthday is. If you go to Africa someday you might understand this. Many Africans couldn't care less if they never had to get a drivers license or state ID card. Many Africans don't speak of history in the form of year, they simply relate things to the seasons and to other events that happened in the same time period. Here in the USA we just rattle of hour day minute second hand date day of week military time. Things are much different when you're in a undeveloped third world nation. You might want to travel outside of the USA sometime in your life.

I'm done replying to you. I have better things to do with my time. Have fun talking to yourself. Try not to have another mental melt down while you're at it.

Lucas.

755 posted on 03/14/2010 6:40:41 PM PDT by InspectorSmith
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