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To: Las Vegas Ron
“Got a linky??

If they did they over threw several other cases plus all of the other writings of the Founders in one fell swoop.”

Uh, no they didn't do any such thing. You guys have created an alternate reality in your heads that, while it may appeal to you, isn't real. You pretend existing Supreme Court documentation says the opposite of what it actually does, ignore whole wide swaths of legal history, and merrily (or grumpily, depending on the latest setback) march on to nowhere.

http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/11120903.ebb.pdf

It's totally conventional and what you can expect if another court addresses this issue, which the Supreme Court has declined to do on multiple occasions so far. They don't waste time on the obvious. The most salient passages are as follows:

Previous Supreme Court Documentation

"It thus clearly appears that by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country, and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, and the jurisdiction of the English sovereign; and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign state, or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.

III. The same rule was in force in all the English colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the constitution as originally established."

Decision

"Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. Just as a person “born within the British dominions [was] a natural-born British subject” at the time of the framing of the U.S. Constitution, so too were those “born in the allegiance of the United States [] natural-born citizens.”

228 posted on 03/01/2010 4:52:28 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: tired_old_conservative; Danae; LucyT; BP2; DJ MacWoW; DaveTesla; Fred Nerks; null and void; ...
Nice try, you need to read the decision rather than invent conclusions. This case involves two people in pro se arguing the State Governor is responsible for vetting POTUS elegibilty. This is an appeal to overturn a motion to dismiss.

Initially, we note that the Plaintiffs do not cite to any authority recognizing that the Governor has a duty to determine the eligibility of a party‟s nominee for the presidency

To the extent that these authorities conflict with the United States Supreme Court‟s interpretation of what it means to be a natural born citizen, we believe that the Plaintiffs‟ arguments fall under the category of “conclusory, non-factual assertions or legal conclusions” that we need not accept as true when reviewing the grant of a motion to dismiss for failure to

We reiterate that we do not address the question of natural born citizen status for persons who became United States citizens at birth by virtue of being born of United States citizen parents, despite theWe reiterate that we do not address the question of natural born citizen status for persons who became United States citizens at birth by virtue of being born of United States citizen parents, despite the The Plaintiffs do not mention the above United States Supreme Court authority in their complaint or brief; they primarily rely instead on an eighteenth century treatise and quotations of Members of Congress made during the nineteenth century. To the extent that these authorities conflict with the United States Supreme Court‟s interpretation of what it means to be a natural born citizen, we believe that the Plaintiffs‟ arguments fall under the category of “conclusory, non-factual assertions or legal conclusions” that we need not accept as true when reviewing the grant of a motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim.

We note that President Obama is not the first U.S. President born of parents of differing citizenship. Chester A. Arthur, the twenty-first U.S. President, was born of a mother who was a United States citizen and a father who was an Irish citizen. See THOMAS C. REEVES, GENTLEMAN BOSS, THE LIFE OF CHESTER ALAN ARTHUR 3-4 (1975). During the election of 1880, there arose a rumor "that [Arthur] had been born in Canada, rather than in Vermont as he claimed, and was thus constitutionally ineligible to become the Chief Executive." Id. at 3. Although President Arthur‟s status as a natural born citizen was challenged in the 1880 Presidential Election on the grounds that he was born in Canada rather than Vermont, the argument was not made that because Arthur‟s father was an Irish citizen he was constitutionally ineligible to be President.

Sorry, but there is no there there and certainly not the conclusion you mad up.

236 posted on 03/01/2010 5:42:32 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: tired_old_conservative

“You pretend existing Supreme Court documentation says the opposite of what it actually does, ignore whole wide swaths of legal history, and merrily (or grumpily, depending on the latest setback) march on to nowhere.”

AMEN! I see you are giving the little Constitutional martyrs billy heck! I am curious when they are going to reach their DQ (Denial Quotient) and they snap back to normal.

parsy, who says psychology Ph.D candidates will be kept busy for years on the birthers.


285 posted on 03/01/2010 7:37:20 PM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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