Who are the real conspiracy theorists?

WND ^ | 3/1/2010 | Joseph Farrah

[patlin]

There are many in the press today caricaturing me as a "conspiracy theorist" simply because I, like millions of other Americans, insist on actually seeing proof of Barack Obama's constitutional eligibility.

I've never alleged a conspiracy. Obama was given a free pass by an opponent who had his own eligibility issues. Not much of a conspiracy necessary – especially with Obama accountable only to a fawning press and scared-of-their-shadows Republicans.

But "conspiracy theorist" is an easy epithet to hurl.

One good question to ask, the next time you hear someone call me that name, is this: "Who is Joseph Farah conspiring with?"

[American Constitutionalist]

Your right, when something stinks, it could mean it’s rotten..

[American Constitutionalist]

" I prefer the term “After-Birthers”"

Or PRO-ABORTS

[American Constitutionalist]

" it was verified by the Hawaiian health director. "

I am sure they are infallible and not capable of lying... Sarcasm

Some people got this false notion that government can't lie...

[American Constitutionalist]

Because they support him ?

[American Constitutionalist]

Some people like to bring up Chester Arthur as if they want to give Obama a free pass....

[GreenLanternCorps]

The Constitution of Kenya

http://kenya.rcbowen.com/constitution/chap6.html#97

97. Dual citizenship

1. A person who, upon the attainment of the age of twenty-one years, is a citizen of Kenya and also a citizen of some country other than Kenya shall, subject to subsection (7), cease to be a citizen of Kenya upon the specified date unless he has renounced his citizenship of that other country, taken the oath of allegiance and, in the case of a person who was born outside Kenya. made and registered such declaration of his intentions concerning residence as may be prescribed by or under an Act of Parliament.

2. * A person who
a. has attained the age of twenty-one years before 12th December, 1963; and
b. becomes a citizen of Kenya on that day by virtue of section 87; and
c. is immediately after that day also a citizen of some country other than Kenya.
shall subject to subsection (7), cease to be a citizen of Kenya upon the specified date unless he has renounced his citizenship of that other country. taken the oath of allegiance and. in the case of a person who is a citizen of Kenya by virtue of section 87 (2), made and registered such declaration of his intentions concerning residence as may be prescribed by or under an Act of Parliament.

3. A citizen of Kenya shall, subject to subsection (7). cease to be such a citizen if-
a. having attained the age of twenty-one years, he acquires the citizenship of some country other than Kenya by voluntary act (other than marriage); or
b. having attained the age of twenty-one years. he otherwise acquires the citizenship of some country other than Kenya and has not. by the specified date. renounced his citizenship of that other country, taken the oath of allegiance and made and registered such declaration of his intentions concerning residence as may be prescribed by or under an Act of Parliament.

[bvw]

It is a duty of whoever is there to officially witness the oath: nothing in the Constitution is trivial, the oath and the circumstance of it’s being taken are not mere custom.

[ASA Vet]

While they probably are that too, it is an entire different subject.

[dinodino]

Guitar capo is spelled the same.

[wolfcreek]

Whether McCain has/had issues is not the point. The fact it was brought up by opponents is.

[little jeremiah]

Banned/suspended.

The Purple Screen.

I find it interesting that the 0-suckers are now revealed as clear as glass. They have made it obvious that they s*** on the Constitution, don’t care that their marxist usurper is not a natural born citizen, and are here posting to (a) mine for info and (b) disrupt, obfuscate, revile and ridicule.

It’s not that they’re fooled. They know 0devil is ineligible and a lying thug fraud, and don’t care.

[Las Vegas Ron]

Thanks for all of the info, El Gato

Reportedly, he showed his true birth certificate

That part cracked me up, of course he did, because he could or wasn't hiding what's on it!

Thanks for the chuckle to start my day.

[DJ MacWoW]

I truly don’t understand them. They deny supporting Bam but argue for his eligibility with passion. The statement that it’s makes FR look foolish is a nonsequitur since his eligibility status is gaining ground. My Bible study group that is not political has started asking questions. They have a whole laundry list of things that they didn’t hear before the election.

[little jeremiah]

Anyone who claims that the discussing the Constitutional eligibility of 0devil makes FR and those concerned look silly, like kooks and wingnuts, has immediately outed themselves as a leftist troll 0-suckup.

It’s that simple.

My father was in England, slated to be on the boats hitting the Normandy coast, but shortly before D-Day, it was learned that he could type, so they stuck him in an office.

That’s probably why I’m here (and not somewhere else!). He wore thick glasses and was not athletic...

[Las Vegas Ron]

So, what does that prove?

Now I know what the laws of Kenya are regarding duel citizenship, where is the proof of whatever action the bamster took?

Even if he did, he was still born with divided loyalties per OUR Constitution. He's not a NBC.

[Uncle Chip]

Let’s take a minute to digest that lengthy citation.

Let's do. From Minor versus Happersett in 1875:

"The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that."

Could you tell all of us just where that "resort" was/is??? It's not in the 14th Amendment because that is in the Constitution. So then could that resort be here:

1] “THE VENUS, 12 U.S. (8 Cranch) 253, 289 (1814) (Marshall, C.J. concurring) (cites Vattel’s definition of Natural Born Citizen)

and here:

2]SHANKS V. DUPONT, 28 U.S. 242, 245 (1830) (same definition without citing Vattel)

and here:

3] Vattel's LAW OF NATIONS which is mentioned in the Constitution.

Let's continue with Justice Waite and find out for sure:

"At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners."

There we have a definition found also at those previous "resorts". But then you say this:

You will see no distinction made between those who are born a citizen and those who are a natural born citizen.

Sure you won't unless you actually read these words of Justice Waite in the next line:

"Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first."

Aren't those two separate classes of citizens described here by Justice Waite???

[Uncle Chip]

tired-old-conservative you should read this Congressional testimony of 1892 posted by patlin, and you will find out that first generation children born of immigrants on US soil at that time were not considered "citizens" but were considered "aliens/foreigners".

These first generation children were those "doubtfuls of some authorities" referred to by Justice Waite in Minor versus Happersett:

"Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first."

[Kenny Bunk]

CO, This is not a Constitutionally valid point of view:

I agree that born in the United States citizens can be President.

A Natural Born Citizen is a citizen born to two American Citizens. It doesn't matter whether those parents are Native Born Citizens, Naturalized Citizens, or Natural Born Citizens themselves. All that is needed is that at the time of the child's birth, they are citizens.

As far as your outrage goes, keep it up. Obama's ineligibility for this office was known during the campaign of 2007-8. He himself told us that he was born a British Subject. Nonetheless, he was certified in all 50 states, he was voted in. He received the votes of The Electoral College, and was sworn in by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. So, fraud, criminal, foreign citizen, etc, he is the sitting POTUS, and according to the same Constitution he violated, can only be removed by Congress.

God keep OUR land glorious and Free. We stood guard in 2007-8, and gave the alarm. But 53% of the voters, our elected representatives, and our courts paid no heed.You are right. It is an outrage. We're working on it, but it ain't easy.

[Uncle Chip]

The 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution is very succinct and very clear. Since the ratification of the 14th Amendment in 1868 there have only been two categories of citizens: born citizens and naturalized citizens.

Well which one of those two is that anchor baby class of doubtful citizens that Justice Waite wrote about in Minor versus Happersett. You know, that anchor baby class that didn't become citizens until that anchor baby Wong Kim Ark decision of the Gray Court in 1898???

[Uncle Chip]

“They say nothing about requiring two citizen parents.”

I hate to burst your tired old bubble, but throughout American history until the Cable Act and the 1930s, the citizenship of the father was automatically the citizenship of the mother. There was no such thing as a divided citizenship. Upon marriage the wife acquired the citizenship of the husband. So the two-citizen-parent-requirement was automatically met if the father was an American citizen.