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To: goat granny; Gondring

I don’t seem much point in barging in about most of this. There seem to be two things at stake. One is an argument over phrasing. It seems to me that in the end that is pretty pointless. The other is an argument over euthanasia. On that, it seems to me that the traditional view should hold—that all men have an “inalienable right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”

If someone really wants to commit suicide, I think it’s wrong, but there’s really no way that I can stop them. But I oppose the idea that they have a right to be helped to commit suicide by their doctors. Especially by a government-run national healthcare system.

Because, once you encourage that, then you really do get into the slippery slope, as we have seen in the Netherlands—where people have been killed for convenience against their wills—and are are beginning to see in England.

Once healthcare workers and doctors get used to killing their patients instead of trying to save them, you are going to start running into plenty of problems—such as killing people because the government is running a deficit and wants to save money.


46 posted on 10/03/2009 3:11:08 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero
You definitely sound like a sane thoughtful person...I also do not believe in active euthanasia by mandate by the government...That is just some cowards way of demanding another person committee murder...

Suicide is always sad, some cannot be stopped, some can be helped with medication...Clinical depression is as real a disease as any other disease...its scary because those that love the person cannot help them..It affects behavior whereas other diseases don't.

I agree with much you have said.....GG

62 posted on 10/03/2009 4:04:15 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Cicero

“Once healthcare workers and doctors get used to killing their patients instead of trying to save them, you are going to start running into plenty of problems—such as killing people because the government is running a deficit and wants to save money.”

We already have. The Oregon Health Plan will not pay to treat certain diseases, but will pay the costs involved for the victim to commit suicide.


94 posted on 10/03/2009 6:41:15 PM PDT by rogator
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