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To: David
Fact he is still an Indonesian citizen is substantive. And his Indonesian citizenship and subjection to Indonesian sovereignty ought to preclude him from being a Natural Born Citizen, even if he were born in Hawaii (he wasn't).

No, once natural born, no actions taken by ones parents, natural or adoptive, can change that status. It's even true citizen children in general. Only he could have renounced his citizenship, and even then not until he turned 21, in general anyway. Of course if had done that, there would be paperwork.

8,548 posted on 08/10/2009 6:53:36 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato
even then not until he turned 21

The 26th Amendment was ratified in July 1971 in which the drinking age and voting age were lowered to 18, thus allowing young military to vote. This means that Obama would have had to trot himself down to the local immigration office in 1979 and renounce his Indonesian citizenship unless his mother had already done that upon Obi's return at age 11, but this is highly unlikely due to the fac that he is named as an of age child dependent on monetary support in the Dunham/Soetoro divorce papers.

Obama’s actions from the day he turned 18(legal adult in 1979) rest soley on him and since the divorce was not final until 1980 and Barry was already enrolled in Occidental, it is highly likely that he was registered there as an Indonesian student and therefore he, himself declared loyalty to Indonesia instead of the USA.

But, this still does not exclude the fact he was British at birth and therefore at best was only a ‘native’ citizen born on soil to only 1 American parent per the 14th amendment.

8,559 posted on 08/10/2009 8:08:53 PM PDT by patlin
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To: El Gato

IIRC, the age is 18, not 21.


8,566 posted on 08/10/2009 8:47:40 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: El Gato
Fact he is still an Indonesian citizen is substantive. And his Indonesian citizenship and subjection to Indonesian sovereignty ought to preclude him from being a Natural Born Citizen, even if he were born in Hawaii (he wasn't).

No, once natural born, no actions taken by ones parents, natural or adoptive, can change that status. It's even true citizen children in general. Only he could have renounced his citizenship, and even then not until he turned 21, in general anyway. Of course if had done that, there would be paperwork.

When I first read this comment, I thought maybe you were correct and I was wrong.

But, consider--hypothetically, a person born in Hawaii renounces his US Citizenship and becomes an Indonesian citizen; then renounces his Indonesian citizenship and becomes a US Citizen by naturalization proceeding.

Is he now a "natural born" citizen? Doubt there would be any law and the judge would give it to him if he won the election; but, he shouldn't be. Because the citizenship that counts--his present citizenship was naturalization, not "natural born"; the natural born went away when he renounced.

8,627 posted on 08/11/2009 6:44:12 AM PDT by David (...)
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