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To: Red Steel

“All Natural Born citizens are Native Born citizens, BUT not all Native Born citizens are Natural Born citizens. This is where you get confused or you just obfuscate the issue.”

How can that be the case? Did you find fault with my logic and my conclusion that the court in Osborn equated “native” and “natural born”?

If you found no fault in my logic and my conclusion, then you agree that the court in Osborn was saying that “native” and “natural born” are the same and that the two of them are different from “naturalized citizen” in that only the “natural born” (which the court is saying means the same thing as “native”) is eligible to be president.

So how can you now say that “all Natural Born citizens are Native Born citizens, BUT not all Native Born citizens are Natural Born citizens”?


8,372 posted on 08/08/2009 11:12:18 PM PDT by Technical Editor
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To: Red Steel

I gotta to to bed, but I’ll check back tomorrow.

I am open to being mistaken about what I conclude; I have no problem with abandoning a position if I am proved to be in error. So if I am missing something, I really would appreciate your explaining it. Good night!


8,373 posted on 08/08/2009 11:16:17 PM PDT by Technical Editor
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To: Technical Editor
Lets take a look at another recent opinion(s), the Senate resolution proclaiming McCain a US Natural Born Citizen. Senate Res 511. As you need help.

The key statement. "From the Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it"

So the Senate says McCain born to US citizens [that's plural] and born under the jurisdiction of the United States in the Panama Canal zone.

In other words 2 US citizens who are under US jurisdiction by law.

And the Panama Canal Zone under US jurisdiction.

You see, even Lib Leahy who introduced Res. 511 sees it. McCain was not under the jurisdiction of another country by birth or soil. Although there is some dispute if McCain was born within the jurisdiction of the country of Panama.

As pointed out by this Senate Resolution, 2 US citizens on US soil.

You can't say in a Senate resolution saying you are NBC being born to 2 US citizens and under the jurisdiction of a US military base [soil]. And then turn around by arguing out the other side of your mouth saying that a citizen born on US soil and who has 2 foreign nationals as parents or even one parent who passes on his foreign citizenship be taken seriously saying that citizen is also an NBC.

It's not the same; a contradiction.

8,378 posted on 08/09/2009 12:00:21 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Technical Editor
So how can you now say that “all Natural Born citizens are Native Born citizens, BUT not all Native Born citizens are Natural Born citizens”?

RegulatorCountry gives the answer why this is so.

A link for your convenience or look a few posts above. I don't want you to miss it.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2306351/posts?page=8377#8377

8,380 posted on 08/09/2009 1:02:53 AM PDT by Red Steel
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