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To: jamese777

Yes, that is the same disinformation the Obaama Administration is using to deceive people.

In fact, the Supreme Court ruled a very long time ago in Marbury v. Madison that it is quite impossible for the term “citizen” as it is used in Amendment XIV to have the same meaning as “natural born citizen” phrase was used in Article 2 of the Constitution (Leo Donofrio and sister).

“It cannot be presumed that any clause in the constitution is intended to be without effect; and therefore such construction is inadmissible, unless the words require it.”

Constructing the word “citizen” in Amendment XIV to render the “natural born citizen” phrase without effect for the purpose intended by the Founding Fathers as it was written into the Constitution and actually effected to the present day is in the words of Justice Marshall “inadmissible, unless the words require it.”

For thousands of years, virtually every society and government within the tradition of our present Law of Nations has observed a custom of using allegiance by birth and allegiance by oath as a means of establishing citizenship in a society and nation. The Founding Fathers relied upon this universal principle of allegiance and citizenship when including the phrase “natural born citizen” to indicate a person born with allegiance only to the United States of America was a requirement for eligibility to the Office of the President.

Now we have a gang of people who have failed many attempts in very recent years to obtain an Amendment to the Constitution which would make Barack Hussein Obama Jr. eligible for the Office of the President. Having failed to lawfully obtain the required Amendment to the Constitution before the presidential campaign, they instead resorted to simply brazening it out in disregard of the Constitution. Now they seek to exploit legal loopholes, pettifoggery, and false propaganda as a means of obfuscating the obvious fact the Founding Fathers by word and deed denied the Office of the President to any person born with allegiance to a foreign sovereign and government.

Barack Hussein Obama Jr. has acknowledged the fact he was a natural born citizen of, therefore with allegiance to, the Sovereign United Kingdom of Great Britain, Queen Elizabeth II, by reason of his father’s citizenship. Before the era when dual citizenship was introduced, his father’s British citizenship conferred only British citizenship upon Barack Hussein Obama Jr. Since dual citizenship was introduced, Barack Hussein Obama Jr.was certainly natural born with British citizenship, and he may or may not have been additionally natural born with U.S. citizenship, depending upon yet to be revealed and proven facts of birth.

Nonetheless, whether or not Barack Hussein Obama Jr. was a natural born citizen of the United States, his status as a natural born citizen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain with allegiance to Quenn Elizabeth II conferred upon him at birth was the very foreign citizenship and allegiance to a foreign sovereign which the Founding Fathers used the “natural born citizen” phrase to make ineligible for the Office of the President. Any natural born citizenship or other U.S. citizenship retained by Barack Hussein Obama Jr. is irrelevant with respect to giving effect to the eligibility of a person who was ever a natural born or other citizen with allegiance to a foreign sovereign and government. Any attempt to construct a different meaning is “inadmissable” as Justice Marshall wrote in Marbury v. Madison.


7,955 posted on 08/07/2009 4:15:18 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

Yet another outstanding post! Thank you so much.


7,966 posted on 08/07/2009 4:33:15 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: WhiskeyX
Since dual citizenship was introduced, Barack Hussein Obama Jr.was certainly natural born with British citizenship, and he may or may not have been additionally natural born with U.S. citizenship, depending upon yet to be revealed and proven facts of birth.

Both are not possible, as the one precludes the other, under the plain meaning of the legal term as evidenced in writing, before ratification of the Constitution, from John Jay and others now known as Founders.

Additionally, this plain meaning of the legal term is either supported, or left intact, in decision after decision, right up to and past the 14th Amendment, tortured modern-day interpretations of said Amendment notwithstanding.

It's intact in the early 20th century, with Elg, and in fact there is no statute to this day that contravenes the original intent of including the legal term of art "natural born citizen" in the Constitutional eligibility clause for the office of President.

And, this is no accident of history, nor is it some sort of oversight. The legal term "natural born citizen" only has bearing upon those candidates who, having won election, are put forth for consideration to be certified and, once certified, duly sworn into office.

There is no Constitutional remedy for an ineligible President. The possibility does not appear to have been countenanced. But, neither is there any provision for accepting an ineligible President. Once ineligible, always ineligible, as a result of having not been born into complete allegiance as required.

7,988 posted on 08/07/2009 5:49:53 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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