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To: newfreep

When you get right down to it, how much more evidence is there that he was born in Hawaii vs Kenya anyway?

The newspaper birth announcement
If he was born in Kenya, and spotted by Susan Blake in Seattle 3 weeks earlier, Obama and his momma likely flew through Hawaii en route to Seattle. It would have been quite convenient for Ann Dunham or her mother to have registered Obama via a "Certificate of Hawaiian Birth" or "Certificate of Late Birth"

Letter from Obama saying he was born in Kapiolani Medical Center
His spokesman Gibbs dances around the subject everytime he's asked at the daily press briefing. Kapiolani won't confirm it's authenticity either. And there's still that article where his own sister said he was born at Queens Medical Center. Yet others in his family, before knowing that NBC was an important issue, slipped up and said he was born in Kenya.

Marriage in Hawaii
It may have been shown for the 1964 divorce. Oddly, investigators searching have not discovered a header for it in any Hawaiian database or microfiche index. Just like a Kenyan birth certificate, the archives in Hawaii today probably wouldn't contain a Marriage Certificate from Kenya. For that matter, the marriage certificate from Ann Dunham's Indonesian marriage with Lolo Soetoro, filed for divorce in 1980 in Hawaii, has never been found either...

Because the “Certification of Live Birth” from Hawaii says so
Hawaiian birth certificate law, codified in HRS §338, can allow for a:

“Certificate of Hawaiian Birth”, terminated in 1972 after Obama’s 1961 birth, to be substituted for a ...
“Certificate of Late Birth”, thence a ...
“Certificate of Live Birth”, thence a shortened, abstracted ...
“Certification of Live Birth”, which wasn't first issued until Nov 2001.
ALL PREVIOUS & ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATES ARE MASKED

Even the punk'd birth certificate that floated up yesterday has more plausibility than the birth certificate he's shown from Hawaii thus far.
7,893 posted on 08/07/2009 2:15:33 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: BP2
Even the punk'd birth certificate that floated up yesterday has more plausibility than the birth certificate he's shown from Hawaii thus far.

Actually not. Given the cost and difficulty and unlikelihood of a pregnant middle-class American woman flying to Kenya in 1961 to be with her man's disapproving father and his other wife and children, Hawaii looks like a safer bet.

And really, how much evidence is there for this Kenyan story? Just a minute or two of tape that Ron McRae says is Sarah Obama claiming that she was present when Barack Obama was born. Born where? In still primitive conditions in Kogelo? Or hundreds of miles away on the other side of the country in Mombasa?

And Ron McRae hasn't exactly proven himself to be the most trustworthy commentator in the world. How about waiting for a more reliable translation of the tape? And what else is there? Anything more than what a few hucksters and fraudsters have cooked up?

I'd like to see the birth certificate too, but there really isn't any real evidence for the Kenyan story at all.

7,901 posted on 08/07/2009 2:39:41 PM PDT by x
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