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To: Spaulding

Many of the above are making an error in logic. Within the overall class: Citizen they assert there are 3 sub-classes (1) Natural-Born Citizen, (2) Citizen, ans (3) Naturalized Citizen. This gives rise to the following logical arguments:

If a Citizen, then a Citizen (True)
If a Citizen, then a Citizen (False)

There is no way to reconcile this.

The Founding Fathers were all well versed in Logic which was part of the classical education.

The correct structure is: The overall class, Citizen contains 2 sub-classes: (1) Natural-Born Citizen, and (2) Naturalized Citizen. The 14th Amendment states that all persons born on US soil are citizens with no reference to the citizenship of parents. This leads to the conclusion that these Citizens are Natural-Born or Naturalized. The conclusion is obvious: Natural-Born.


7,374 posted on 08/06/2009 10:31:27 AM PDT by Cymraeg
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To: Cymraeg

Faulty reasoning. The Venn diagram does not lead to the conclusion you assert.

(Forgot to ping you to #7463. Sorry)


7,383 posted on 08/06/2009 10:36:56 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 197 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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Draw two large circles on paper. Inside one draw a smaller circle fully inside the larger and label it '14th Amendment', and perhaps another circle and label it 'Naturalization Act of ____', etc..

In the other large circle draw a smaller circle completely inside the larger and label it 'natural born citizen' and beside but not inside yet another small circle we will label in a second.

The two large circles represent the categories 'Naturalized citizens' and 'Non-naturalized citizens' or in the sense found in Wong Kim Ark, 'non-native and native citizens'. In the non-naturalized circle we would find a circle for 'anchor babies' but these would not be found inside the smaller circle labeled 'natural born citizens' since the founders used that more exclusive phrase to have a meaning of parents citizenship AND place of birth.

7,398 posted on 08/06/2009 10:53:22 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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