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To: Spaulding
Gizmos, are you implying that a citizen is not the same as a citizen of the United States? (in reference to this.)

Hi Spaulding,

No. My point was simply that the citizenship issue affected Alan Keyes' Senate race against Barack Obama, assuming that Obama never actually achieved citizen status (because of any of the various theories about his birth abroad, his childhood in another country, etc. etc.) and that "green card" residents are not citizens.

It would be mildly humorous if Obama (who, as I understand it won his Senate seat by having his opponents disqualified), was found to be ineligible to serve as a Senator, much less as President. Would he lose his fancy Congressional health-care? Would he still be in favor of his own health-care reform???

The thorny issue around much of this discussion, however, does involve the "levels" of citizenship. My personal opinion is that there are three types of citizenship: Naturalized (those born abroad who achieve citizenship by law or statute), Citizen (or Native Citizen, by birth to citizen parents or, as we currently interpret the anchor-baby issue, simply by being born on U.S. soil); and ultimately, Natural-Born Citizen (being born to two U.S. Citizens).

I think the case for these three types of citizenship has been very well presented on this thread and many others at FR, but it is certainly not a universally accepted standard.

However, I find it interesting that our courts have created standards for the first two types (laws and statutes, again) which are wholly unnecessary for Natural Born. Or, to put it another way, if a person achieves citizenship equal to other citizens because of a court-ruling or a law that was passed along the way, they cannot be a "Natural Born Citizen."

7,141 posted on 08/05/2009 10:04:53 PM PDT by GizmosAndGadgets (If at first you don't succeed...)
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To: GizmosAndGadgets
I didn't think so Gizmos (I need to remember to cite a
message number as some have done, to make the dialogs
meaningful to other than the poster). I see more and more people on FR who understand what natural born means and why.

I've seen a chart someplace which defines five types of citizenship, along the lines you suggested.

Yes, he is a nasty guy. The older black Chicago leftist, Alice Palmer, who introduced Barack to the Chicago Marxist community, whom he removed as his Illinois Senate opponent for registration irregulaties became a Hillary supporter. I recall that Bill Clinton called him a “thug”, which meant things we didn't understand at the time.

What happens to Obama if his ineligiblity, about which there is no doubt, is addressed? I'm guessing that Biden, who would be a pro tem president until a new election chose a replacement, would pardon Barack for what must be many felonies. I doubt he'd be welcome in Saudi Arabia - Michelle's would not be happy in a burka - or Venezuela; Chavez is a one-man show. Kenya, no thanks to Barack, who tried to engineer a victory for his KGB-trained cousin (East Germany), which would have guranteed Sharia Law for the Christian Republic probably wouldn't be happy to see him. Iran is Shia and Barack is a natural born Sunni, so I don't see a strong attraction for Barack there(though Kohmeni, Jimmy Carter's candidate, was not even Persian, and a Sunni as well).

First, we need to get him out of our harm's way.

7,212 posted on 08/06/2009 12:10:42 AM PDT by Spaulding
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