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To: Plummz

So far you haven’t said anything particularly convincing—I remain of the understanding that the natural born subject law which dates back to the 12th Century was the historical origin of the concept.

If you have citations to particular legal authorities that lead to some different answer I will look at them; at the point where I have time to do so, I might even look at the issue myself.

But all I see from what you have said is some stuff that doesn’t fit as authority—maybe you have a point. But if so, it isn’t apparent from anything you have said yet.


7,051 posted on 08/05/2009 6:44:49 PM PDT by David (...)
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To: David

It might help you if you read the debates of the Constitutional Convention.

But, if your anti-American bias is as inherent as it seems; it might not help.


7,058 posted on 08/05/2009 7:11:58 PM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: David

Just wanted to say I greatly enjoy reading your comments; have been absent from FR for a couple of hiatuses (hiati?) and got back just in time for this document adrenalin.

Even though I am uneducated and have a hard time with legal stuff but your comments are very understandable and I look forward to reading more.


7,059 posted on 08/05/2009 7:24:58 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: David

Consider, perhaps, that ‘a subject’ can be a slave without being ‘a citizen’.


7,063 posted on 08/05/2009 7:40:05 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: David; Plummz
"So far you haven’t said anything particularly convincing—I remain of the understanding that the natural born subject law which dates back to the 12th Century was the historical origin of the concept."

"Natural Born citizen" isn't even a subject addressed in common law. Common law addressed the birth of a 'subject' to alien parents, but that would not be relevent, since a subject could not become a monarch.

Here is a discussion of the use in the constitution, and the origin of the term.

7,103 posted on 08/05/2009 9:12:09 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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