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To: Star Traveler
So many people are off topic and unfocused, or rather focused on their own, or their employer's, agendas.

Maybe we can get back on topic. This is a great summary from Newsmax if you missed it.

---------------------------------------------------- Lou Dobbs Right on Obama Birth Certificate

Monday, August 3, 2009 9:48 AM

By: Newsmax Staff Article Font Size

The Associated Press is wrong and Lou Dobbs is right.

This past weekend, the AP published a story entitled "CNN's Dobbs Under Fire for Hosting 'Birthers'".

The AP began their highly critical story on Dobbs: "He's become a publicity nightmare for CNN, embarrassed his boss and hosted a show that seemed to contradict the network's 'no bias' brand."

And what is Dobbs' "crime?" He has said on air that Obama should release his birth certificate and has had on his show guests who suggested Obama was born outside the U.S.

Dobbs does not believe Obama was born outside the U.S., nor does Newsmax. The evidence indicates he was born in Hawaii. But the indisputable fact is that Obama has not released his birth certificate, which the state of Hawaii issues for all citizens born there. The AP implies that Obama has not released a "long version of his birth certificate." But Obama has never released either a long or short version of his birth certificate.

Instead, Obama's campaign last year released only his Certification of Live Birth from the state of Hawaii, which is a document that offers a summarized version of the birth certificate. Even state residents born outside the U.S. can get one.

During the 2008 presidential campaign, GOP nominee Sen. John McCain quickly released his birth certificate when liberal bloggers raised questions about his eligibility to be president. McCain was born at a military hospital in Panama.

Obama likewise could put the matter to rest by releasing his actual birth certificate, which would show, among other things, the place of his birth and the doctor who performed the birth procedure.

This information is not provided on the Certification of Live Birth.

As it stands, Obama is the only president in history whose birthplace is unknown to the public – a fact that would be stated on the actual birth certificate. Interestingly, his family has mentioned two different hospitals in Hawaii as the place of birth.

Obama’s refusal to release his birth certificate does mean that Obama remains one of America’s most mysterious and opaque presidents ever.

Obama, for example, has not released many other documents regarding his public and private life.

Many of these documents were sought by reporters, who easily acquiesced when Obama said he would not release them – though most presidential candidates release them as a perfunctory matter.

Among the key documents that Obama continues to shield from the public:

• Obama released just one brief document detailing his personal health. McCain, on the other hand, released what he said was his complete medical file, totaling more than 1,500 pages.

• Obama refused to offer his official papers as a state legislator in Illinois. Nor did he produce correspondence, such as his schedules of appointments or letters from lobbyists, from his days in the Illinois state Senate.

• Obama did not release his client list as an attorney or his billing records. He maintained that he performed only a few hours of legal work for a nonprofit organization with ties to Tony Rezko, the Chicago businessman convicted of fraud in June 2008 but did not release billing records that would prove this assertion.

• Obama ignored requests for his records from Occidental College, where he studied for two years before transferring to Columbia University.

• Obama’s campaign refused to give Columbia, where he earned an undergraduate degree in political science, permission to release his transcripts. Former President George W. Bush and presidential contenders Al Gore and John Kerry all released their college transcripts.

• Obama did not agree to the release of his application to the Illinois State Bar, which would have cleared up intermittent allegations that his application may have been inaccurate.

• Obama did not release records from his time at Harvard Law School.

• During the presidential campaign, McCain’s campaign released a full list of all online donors. Obama’s campaign still has not released the names of those who donated at least one-third of the $750 million he raised.

Ironically, Obama accused the Bush White House of being "one of the most secretive administrations in our history," and chided then-Sen. Hillary Clinton for not releasing her White House schedules.

6,663 posted on 08/04/2009 9:56:36 PM PDT by CanaGuy (Go Harper!)
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To: CanaGuy

Well, the way I see it, the number *one* big thing that everyone is talking about is “seeing the birth certificate*... I would say that this is the big focus, and always has been from before the time of the election.

Sure there are other “political issues” even today, issues having to do with legislation and his foreign policy and so on. But, that’s not what everyone is talking about on *these particular threads*. It always comes down to just this one thing — showing the birth certificate. That’s the core issue.

So, I figure that if everyone is focused on that one thing, and if they realize that there is *no legal requirement* for a candidate to show his birth certificate — then *automatically* — the very next thing that has to happen is that *anyone* would say “make it legally mandatory*... that’s only natural.

And thus, that’s why I’ve always focused on the *one solution* to the *one problem* that everyone has talked about...

And that *one solution* that I’m talking about (which would stop all the talking on all the threads) is to make it *legally mandatory* that a candidate must show his birth certificate, or else he cannot be placed on the ballot...

That’s why I say that my basic position comes down to the following...

(1) I’m going to go by the official Hawaii pronouncement, unless something solid comes up (in a court of law) that disproves it.
(2) Since everyone wants to see the birth certificate, I’m going to continue to work for enacting a state law for that purpose (Oklahoma, Texas, Missouri and Azrizona already working on it).
(3) The issue of natural born, as far as parents and their citizenship, I’m going to let the Supreme Court decide on it and I’ll take their decision.

That’s where it boils down for me right now...


6,671 posted on 08/04/2009 10:05:13 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: CanaGuy

Obama accused the Bush White House of being “one of the most secretive administrations in our history,”

Typical marxist comment:
“Accuse others of what you do.”
—Vladimir Ilyich Lenin


6,676 posted on 08/04/2009 10:09:37 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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