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To: autumnraine

I’ve been suggesting that scenario because it makes the most sense. There were twelve (hand)numbered pages in the FOI released divorce documents. Eight are shown here:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/9694026/Obama-64-Divorce-Decree-Plains-Radio

Although there’s no evidence of a traditional marriage, and the divorce has been called a ‘fantasy divorce’ - for the purposes of custody, divorce would be recommended by her lawyer.

What items of identification would be required?

Her own birth certificate.
Something to identify the ‘father’
Identification for the child.
Marriage certificate...maybe?

These are items that IMO would NOT be covered by the FOI request. The items would however still be filed in archives with the original divorce documents.

Who ever completed the FOI request...would have realised the significance, methinks...


4,912 posted on 08/03/2009 3:47:18 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

I was married under common law and divorced in court. I never had a marraige license, but I do have a divorce decree. I pursued the divorce to obtain legitimization for my two children AND to establish custody.

I was ‘common law’ married in 1993 and divorced in a court of law in 2000. I can see this being the case in the 1960’s as most common law marraige laws were around back then. All that had to be established was that she and he represented themselves as husband and wife and also lived together as husband and wife.


4,993 posted on 08/03/2009 5:51:37 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: Fred Nerks

I saw the other four pages yesterday. However, I cannot find the web link now. Got any ideas?


5,016 posted on 08/03/2009 6:13:11 AM PDT by Lobbyist (capitalist)
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To: Fred Nerks; John Valentine
Based on my experience investigating numerous civil cases including divorces, (not Hawaii) I find it highly unlikely (but not impossible)in an uncontested divorce, with uncontested custody, and no child support, that documents such as marriage or birth certificates would be in a court file.

If used in the case they were likely authenticated via certification or sworn testimony, used in the trial and returned to the parties. Otherwise court files would have all kinds of evidence stuffed in them.

I see no decision in this case relating to the location of birth of Obama Jr, which could require either party to "prove up" their statements with evidence. It would however be good legal practice for one or both attorneys to have at the ready any evidence they may want to present to prove or disprove any subject matter of the trial especially if it was contested.

A court file is a summary of filings, motions, findings and appeals. It may make reference to documents or transcripts or other evidence, but they generally are not in a file.(attorneys usually keep everything, used in court or not to cover themselve from malpractice claims)A record is made of the trial usually by a court reporter (small claims tape recorder) an is not printed out as a transcript unless one or both parties request it (usually for appeal)and pays for the transcript.

Things I have seen and am aware of being sealed in civil cases could be medical records and statements of income by those claiming inability to pay costs. These items are usually in the file in a separate envelope on top marked CONFIDENTIAL which the clerk handling the file would not copy or would remove prior to allowing inspection of the file. While the pages marked show 12 pages and only 7 are shown, it does not mean the others are sealed. I believe in this case an investigator went directly to the court, and had the documents they chose as relevant copied, and did not have the others copied.(frugal) If the other pages were sealed any experienced investigator would have made note of it and posted it with the copies. If there was something sealed in the file other than the two reasons I cited above, it would be a lead to get it unsealed in one of the current cases or that information of value could be in the sealed envelope. JMHO.

5,250 posted on 08/03/2009 9:33:14 AM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: Fred Nerks
We need a thread exclusively for info and speculation on Hussein's parentage.

To me, this is most interesting...who really was his father?

5,397 posted on 08/03/2009 11:15:00 AM PDT by roses of sharon (It is not actual suffering but a taste of better things which excites people to revolt: Hoffer)
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