[Osnome]

>>I do not trust any of them. When they are with us it is fine. We see how well supporting Arnold benefited us in CA?<<
That is the point, none of them can be trusted.
They were never truly with us, even if they were in the beginning, they get corrupted by Hollywood and co-opted by the Liberal Establishment.

[Billthedrill]

Oh, and I almost forgot - I’m going to bed, really, and won’t comment until the morning - yeah, right - the fact that the Vandals had swept through Spain and captured North Africa, which was the principal granary of Rome, really put an end to the whole thing. Until Belisarius came back through (from Constantinople) half a century later Rome only ate by permission of the barbarians. The Ostrogoths from the north and the Vandals in the south - that was pretty much all she wrote.